Right. But why does that let Amazon off the hook? Donna Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: > There are other choices. The newest versions of android are just as > accessible, and these are made by several manufacturers. > Original message: >> Hi all, > >> I really have to agree with Eric, here. In response to Barry, what Apple >> did with the iPhone 3Gs was to make a main-stream device accessible to us. >> And yes, that still has the potential to level the playing field . But the >> playing field is hardly level if Apple is the only company doing this, if >> for no other reason than what that means is that blind consumers would only >> have one choice. I agree with Bary. I love my Apple products and have >> absolutely no interest in personally owning a Kindle. But I work with lots >> of students who do have them. Kindle does a lot more in textbooks than >> other e-text providers, which means that people will want to buy these >> devices for school. Isn't it reasonable to strive to have the same level of >> choice in our mobile technology as our sighted peers? Sandy is right, >> there's a big gap between the ideal and the current reality, but that's a >> big reason why I think it's worth doing everything we can to stop Amazon >> from getting this waiver. Barry may be correct, and that all our comments >> may be for naught. However, the only way we'll know is to try. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:01 AM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us >>> penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live >>> the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept >>> anything less? > >>> -eric > >>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >>>> I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, >>>> everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing field. It’s >>>> funny how quickly perspectives change. > >>>> Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not be >>>> level until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap in >>>> existence. >>>> I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire to >>>> use anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it would be >>>> a very good think if other companies would realize the importance of >>>> opening their products up to other segments of society and not excluding >>>> them. I just don’t think that this is going to convince them. > >>>> I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it seems to me at >>>> times that there are factions under their roof that don’t seem to >>>> understand the importance of accessibility or what Voiceover is even used >>>> for. On the other hand, I think that there is a much larger faction at >>>> Apple that definitely gets it and that the evidence to support this is >>>> over whelming. I realize that not every body can listen to them, but >>>> there were some very impressive sessions at WWDC on the importance of >>>> accessibility and how easy it really is to not only make an app usable to >>>> a blind person, but make it a nice experience to use. > >>>> I would like to suggest, that just maybe, if a government agency needs to >>>> step in to private inderestry and dictate to a company how their product >>>> is required to function, the result probably won’t be something you are >>>> going to want to use. > >>>> I think that we as a blind community have access to more information then >>>> at any other time in history. And, while things can always be better, >>>> maybe some gratitude is in order for the really good things that some >>>> companies like Apple have done. > > >>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Richard Ring <richr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> And, let's face it! Not all blind people can afford i devices, nor should >>>>> they have to! Having a relatively inexpensive Ereader would really help >>>>> to level the playing field! > > >>>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >>>>> Fielding >>>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >>>>> richr...@gmail.com > >>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Hi there >>>>>> Yes, and we all know which "disability" they are talking about, and it's >>>>>> not the disabled they are talking about either. They are talking about >>>>>> the blind, but of course, they didn't say so. They might as well have. >>>>>> After all, most of the other disabilities can read the print. When I >>>>>> heard about this law, I had a feeling this kind of thing was going to >>>>>> start with the "we can't" people. > >>>>>> Hey, I guess you guys noticed how they want to solve the accessibility >>>>>> problem, right! They want to let Apple carrying them along by saying we >>>>>> can all use iPads etc.! >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Gigi > >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Gigi > >>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: > >>>>>>> I can't believe the FCC would even consider that. They should say, >>>>>>> absolutely not. These devices must be made accessible, end of story. >>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>> Hello all: > >>>>>>>> In follow-up to Karen's post last night, I am posting information >>>>>>>> regarding FCC's request for comments on this issue. I hope that many >>>>>>>> of you will take the time to comment. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> Request for Comment on Petition for Class Waiver of Accessibility >>>>>>>> Rules for ACS > >>>>>>>> On August 1, 2013, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) released >>>>>>>> a Public Notice requesting comment on a petition filed by the >>>>>>>> Coalition of E-Reader Manufacturers. The Coalition requests that the >>>>>>>> Commission waive its rules requiring equipment used for advanced >>>>>>>> communications services (ACS) to be accessible by people with >>>>>>>> disabilities. The Coalition states that, although e-readers are >>>>>>>> equipment that consumers can use for ACS, they are designed primarily >>>>>>>> for reading. > >>>>>>>> To distinguish e-readers from tablets and other devices that would not >>>>>>>> be subject to the waiver request, the Coalition requests a waiver for >>>>>>>> e-readers that have the following features: > >>>>>>>> (1) they have no LCD screen; >>>>>>>> (2) they have no camera; >>>>>>>> (3) they are not offered or shipped to consumers with built-in ACS >>>>>>>> client applications and their manufacturers do not develop ACS >>>>>>>> applications for their respective devices, though the devices may >>>>>>>> include a browser and social media applications; and >>>>>>>> (4) they are marketed to consumers as reading devices and promotional >>>>>>>> material does not tout the capability to access ACS. > >>>>>>>> Comment Deadline: September 3, 2013 >>>>>>>> Reply Comment Deadline: September 13, 2013 > >>>>>>>> Links to the Public Notice (including filing instructions): > > >>>>>>>> (PDF) >>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf >>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf> >>>>>>>> (Word) >>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc >>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc> >>>>>>>> (Text) >>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt >>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt> > >>>>>>>> Link to the Coalition Petition (May 15, 2013): >>>>>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526 >>>>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526> > >>>>>>>> Link to the Letter Supplementing the Coalition Petition (July 17, >>>>>>>> 2013): http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307 >>>>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307> > >>>>>>>> For further information, please contact Eliot Greenwald at (202) >>>>>>>> 418-2235 oreliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov><mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov>>; 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