Hi Eric. It is a gorgeous idea, with one major drawback, how many of us do you think got that kind of money. I definitely know that I don't. There's got too be something else that might work.
sandi On 8/8/13, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > I agree. > Cheers, > Donna > On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: > >> Oh, I'm not saying amazon should be off the hook. Not at all. I think they >> should be required to make their device accessible just like everyone >> else. Really though, it's a shame that it may take a requirement from the >> government to make this happen. Usually when it's required, the company >> only does the minimum required to satisfy the requirement. They should >> make it accessible because it's the right thing to do and increases their >> consumer base. When a company does something because they want to, rather >> than because they have to, usually the result is much better. >> Original message: >>> Right. But why does that let Amazon off the hook? >>> Donna >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >> >>>> There are other choices. The newest versions of android are just as >>>> accessible, and these are made by several manufacturers. >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hi all, >> >>>>> I really have to agree with Eric, here. In response to Barry, what >>>>> Apple did with the iPhone 3Gs was to make a main-stream device >>>>> accessible to us. And yes, that still has the potential to level the >>>>> playing field . But the playing field is hardly level if Apple is the >>>>> only company doing this, if for no other reason than what that means is >>>>> that blind consumers would only have one choice. I agree with Bary. I >>>>> love my Apple products and have absolutely no interest in personally >>>>> owning a Kindle. But I work with lots of students who do have them. >>>>> Kindle does a lot more in textbooks than other e-text providers, which >>>>> means that people will want to buy these devices for school. Isn't it >>>>> reasonable to strive to have the same level of choice in our mobile >>>>> technology as our sighted peers? Sandy is right, there's a big gap >>>>> between the ideal and the current reality, but that's a big reason why >>>>> I think it's worth doing everything we can to stop Amazon from getting >>>>> this waiver. Barry may be correct, and that all our comments may be >>>>> for naught. However, the only way we'll know is to try. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:01 AM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep >>>>>> us penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able >>>>>> to live the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should >>>>>> we accept anything less? >> >>>>>> -eric >> >>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >>>>>>> I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became >>>>>>> accessible, everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing >>>>>>> field. It’s funny how quickly perspectives change. >> >>>>>>> Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not >>>>>>> be level until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap >>>>>>> in existence. >>>>>>> I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire >>>>>>> to use anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it >>>>>>> would be a very good think if other companies would realize the >>>>>>> importance of opening their products up to other segments of society >>>>>>> and not excluding them. I just don’t think that this is going to >>>>>>> convince them. >> >>>>>>> I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it seems to me >>>>>>> at times that there are factions under their roof that don’t seem to >>>>>>> understand the importance of accessibility or what Voiceover is even >>>>>>> used for. On the other hand, I think that there is a much larger >>>>>>> faction at Apple that definitely gets it and that the evidence to >>>>>>> support this is over whelming. I realize that not every body can >>>>>>> listen to them, but there were some very impressive sessions at WWDC >>>>>>> on the importance of accessibility and how easy it really is to not >>>>>>> only make an app usable to a blind person, but make it a nice >>>>>>> experience to use. >> >>>>>>> I would like to suggest, that just maybe, if a government agency >>>>>>> needs to step in to private inderestry and dictate to a company how >>>>>>> their product is required to function, the result probably won’t be >>>>>>> something you are going to want to use. >> >>>>>>> I think that we as a blind community have access to more information >>>>>>> then at any other time in history. And, while things can always be >>>>>>> better, maybe some gratitude is in order for the really good things >>>>>>> that some companies like Apple have done. >> >> >>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Richard Ring <richr...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> And, let's face it! Not all blind people can afford i devices, nor >>>>>>>> should they have to! Having a relatively inexpensive Ereader would >>>>>>>> really help to level the playing field! >> >> >>>>>>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >>>>>>>> Fielding >>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >>>>>>>> richr...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Hi there >>>>>>>>> Yes, and we all know which "disability" they are talking about, and >>>>>>>>> it's not the disabled they are talking about either. They are >>>>>>>>> talking about the blind, but of course, they didn't say so. They >>>>>>>>> might as well have. After all, most of the other disabilities can >>>>>>>>> read the print. When I heard about this law, I had a feeling this >>>>>>>>> kind of thing was going to start with the "we can't" people. >> >>>>>>>>> Hey, I guess you guys noticed how they want to solve the >>>>>>>>> accessibility problem, right! They want to let Apple carrying them >>>>>>>>> along by saying we can all use iPads etc.! >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Gigi >> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Gigi >> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> I can't believe the FCC would even consider that. They should say, >>>>>>>>>> absolutely not. These devices must be made accessible, end of >>>>>>>>>> story. >>>>>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>>>>> Hello all: >> >>>>>>>>>>> In follow-up to Karen's post last night, I am posting information >>>>>>>>>>> regarding FCC's request for comments on this issue. I hope that >>>>>>>>>>> many of you will take the time to comment. >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>> Request for Comment on Petition for Class Waiver of Accessibility >>>>>>>>>>> Rules for ACS >> >>>>>>>>>>> On August 1, 2013, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) >>>>>>>>>>> released a Public Notice requesting comment on a petition filed >>>>>>>>>>> by the Coalition of E-Reader Manufacturers. The Coalition >>>>>>>>>>> requests that the Commission waive its rules requiring equipment >>>>>>>>>>> used for advanced communications services (ACS) to be accessible >>>>>>>>>>> by people with disabilities. The Coalition states that, although >>>>>>>>>>> e-readers are equipment that consumers can use for ACS, they are >>>>>>>>>>> designed primarily for reading. >> >>>>>>>>>>> To distinguish e-readers from tablets and other devices that >>>>>>>>>>> would not be subject to the waiver request, the Coalition >>>>>>>>>>> requests a waiver for e-readers that have the following >>>>>>>>>>> features: >> >>>>>>>>>>> (1) they have no LCD screen; >>>>>>>>>>> (2) they have no camera; >>>>>>>>>>> (3) they are not offered or shipped to consumers with built-in >>>>>>>>>>> ACS client applications and their manufacturers do not develop >>>>>>>>>>> ACS applications for their respective devices, though the devices >>>>>>>>>>> may include a browser and social media applications; and >>>>>>>>>>> (4) they are marketed to consumers as reading devices and >>>>>>>>>>> promotional material does not tout the capability to access ACS. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Comment Deadline: September 3, 2013 >>>>>>>>>>> Reply Comment Deadline: September 13, 2013 >> >>>>>>>>>>> Links to the Public Notice (including filing instructions): >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> (PDF) >>>>>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf> >>>>>>>>>>> (Word) >>>>>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc >>>>>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc> >>>>>>>>>>> (Text) >>>>>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt >>>>>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Link to the Coalition Petition (May 15, 2013): >>>>>>>>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526 >>>>>>>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Link to the Letter Supplementing the Coalition Petition (July 17, >>>>>>>>>>> 2013): http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307 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