Krister! hopefully when we report bugs and point out problems to apple to be looked into or fixed, we maybe are more tactful than here on this list? I can only hope so. You're right we need to point out bugs but whining to apple won't make a difference in the long run. Jim
On Dec 18, 2013, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: > Yeah, and it doesn’t matter if we get what we want, because then we whimper > and whine about the fact that we have gotten what we want, either it is too > late, too little, too much or just plain spoken the wrong way. I know that > what i now will say is gonna offend people and i apologize in advance for > that, but if we bash Apple accessibility and Apple decides that they don’t > want to have anything whatsoever to do with the blind community then it’s a > catastrophy that we deserve. Don’t misunderstand me, pointing to bugs and > things that aren’t right isn’t wrong and shall be done provided it’s done in > a constructive, polite and creative way, complaining serves no purpose and in > the long run could end up really badly for us. > /Krister > > 18 dec 2013 kl. 03:42 skrev David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com>: > >> Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple devices >> than it ever will to help make things better. But, as I am sure you known >> blind people have a long history of being hateful, spiteful, not >> appreciating what is done for them, and constant complainers. >> >> >> Sent from my accessible iPhone >> >>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:53 AM, ROBERT CARTER <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I think the idea that accessibility is less important to Apple since the >>> death of Steve Jobs is nothing more than pure speculation and if anyone can >>> prove otherwise, I would love to see the evidence. I see no value in such >>> comments. >>> >>> Robert Carter >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Scott B. <sb356...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Absolutely right. They can talking to engineering. But engeeniering has >>>> the final say. I agree since the great Steve Jobs has passed we're >>>> probably not seeing as much interaction from Accessibility as people saw >>>> before. To sum it up very briefly Accessibility is where you take the >>>> accessibility suggestions or problems. They either act upon them y >>>> supporting you the person who needs help or passing it on to the >>>> engineering team by escalation. Please also keep in mind these are tier 2 >>>> support personnel so they can't know everything either so be easy on these >>>> people. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12/17/2013 03:37, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>> Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team >>>>> as if to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief of >>>>> some that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and >>>>> problems with Voice Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It is >>>>> my belief that the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited >>>>> role at Apple. Frankly, with the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, >>>>> that role has perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the Apple >>>>> accessibility team never has had actual decision making capacity with >>>>> respect to actual implementation of fixes for Voice Over. They didn’t >>>>> even have this power under Steve Jobs. Unless I am very much mistaken, >>>>> all the accessibility team has any power to do is to forward our findings >>>>> over to the development teams but nothing more. They cannot even tell us >>>>> whether or not our reports will be acted upon. Now, this last is most >>>>> likely a part of Apple’s non disclosure policy: however, I suspect that >>>>> even if this was not so, Apple’s accessibility team would not be informed >>>>> in any case. In short, it seems that the only function that this >>>>> accessibility team has and will ever have at Apple is not much more than >>>>> a kind of clearing house of feedback from us blind users. I cannot help >>>>> wonder how many Apple app developmental teams look at submissions from >>>>> the accessibility team and say to themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”. I >>>>> suspect that this explains why it is that our reports seem to go unheeded. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>>> built-in! >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Scott Berry >>>> Email: sb356...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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