That's a good point about clean installls. It would be really hard not to put the problem back in the new install as you added apps on and set up all your preferences.
-- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Jan 24, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Tim the Apple customer service guy agreed with you as he told me that a clean > install is the very very last thing he would do. Go figure VO is back to > working again, very bizarre behavior. > On Jan 24, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> There are a few processes that happen when a machine is first turned on >> that, for non VO users, just wouldn’t be noticed. For example, if you >> shutdown or put your computer to sleep overnight, there is a nightly HD >> “tune-up” that the OS will perform once the machine is awakened ready to go. >> Depending on the amount of RAM, the speed of your HD and the power of your >> processor, this could affect performance and would be more noticed by a VO >> user just because your computer is using extra processing power to provide >> speech. Years ago, you had to run these processes manually if your computer >> was asleep or shutdown during the scheduled time, but these now occur upon >> startup or awakening. Also, you may notice that the Login screen comes up >> very quickly, and if you have a noisy HD, you’ll note that things are still >> happening even though it’s ready to accept the login credentials. This will >> be accentuated even more if the battery in your computer actually died and >> therefore shut itself down on its own. So, the closer you are to minimum >> requirements, the more likely background tasks will affect foreground >> activity. >> >> On another note, while a clean install has its advantages, I’d just like to >> say that in many cases, this is an unnecessary task. If you’re bringing >> everything back onto your machine that you had on it in the first place, >> you’re likely, sooner or later, going to have similar issues. Unless you >> slowly put each app back on one by one, test the machine and see how things >> are going, you’re going to have difficulty determining the culprit. I can’t >> recall the last time I did a clean install on this MBP. It came with Lion, >> and I migrated my previous Snow Leopard machine over to it using Migration >> Assistant, upgraded to Mountain Lion and to Mavericks and haven’t seen the >> need to do a clean install yet. I realize that there are situations when a >> clean install is merited, I’m simply suggesting that it does not need to >> happen so commonly. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey Alex, Glad someone else sees it my way. Amazingly, the choppiness has >>> gone away again. I just want to find out what is causing it, as it drives >>> me bonkers having voiceover have a speech impediment, and and stutter. Of >>> course if I do do a full reinstall at least I could probably get Downcast >>> and Read Kit to possibly work again, neither of those apps will launch on >>> my current machine, very strange. >>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> But I don't want to! :) I know it would be the best thing, but I'm not >>>> looking forward to re-installing and reconfiguring *everything* on the >>>> Mac. At least the process has Windows beat - I can grab most of my apps >>>> from the App Store, put my services back quite easily, and copy the vast >>>> majority of my data from my constantly-updated Time machine backup. Still, >>>> what a pain, and all because Mavericks decided to not install correctly. >>>> Like Brian, I just have a horrible feeling that I'll do all this work and >>>> nothing will change. It can't be because I have aftermarket RAM, can it? >>>> The ram worked just fine in 10.8, and I haven't had any sudden crashes >>>> that might indicate ram problems. >>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I have found that a fresh clean install is usually the way to go >>>>> after about a year or so. May want to do it myself before April or so. >>>>> I believe a clean install might be the ticket for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>>> built-in! >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Ray, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah been trying to do everything except that, but might have to try and >>>>>> do that this weekend, as this is just getting ridiculous. My concern >>>>>> would be if I take the time and effort to do that and still have these >>>>>> issues I might blow a gasket. Amazingly, the choppiness hasn't occurred >>>>>> during this email writing so maybe there is a process running when I >>>>>> first wake up my computer some mornings that I am not aware of that is >>>>>> causing the issue. >>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sounds like you might want to do an OS reinstall. Back your drives >>>>>>> then do the install fresh after hard formatting the principal drive >>>>>>> your OS was on. A bit dramatic, takes about two and a half hours, but, >>>>>>> well worth the effort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>>> blind built-in! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is starting to get unbelievably frustrating as when I get to work >>>>>>>> I expect to work and not deal with hours of hours of VoiceOver >>>>>>>> problems. I just did a system repair and all was working fine for two >>>>>>>> days and now VoiceOver is back to being unbelievably choppy when >>>>>>>> reading anything. Multiple voices are choppy and it is not just one >>>>>>>> program where the choppiness occurs. I can't read an email all the way >>>>>>>> through without having to use VO and the arrows for all the words I >>>>>>>> can't understand or VO skips. Any ideas? According to Apple customer >>>>>>>> support and yeah VO just crapped out as I typed the word support I >>>>>>>> have enough RAM for what I am doing, and they are clueless to what the >>>>>>>> issue can be. 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