On 10 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > > In short, I think that fully opening the platform (both n770 and n880)
> > > now is the only way Nokia's going to be able to compete when the
> > > iPhone comes out in 5 or 6 months.
> >
> > You are basing this on the potential impact of an unreleased device?

> You are kidding, right? Yes, the device is unreleased. Does anyone
> actually expect that it won't be phenomenally popular?

I didn't say it would or wouldn't be successful.  You, on the other
hand, assume that a) 770/N800 will compete with the iPhone, and b) the
iPhone will be a phenomenal success.  Let's deal with facts: the one
thing the 770/N800 are not is a cell phone.

By the way, the Nokia Communicator 9300 and similar phones are much
closer to the iPhone functionality and market segment.  So Nokia does
indeed have to worry about the iPhone :)

> 2) The device will almost certainly be _far_more_useful_ out of the
> box than the n770, I don't know about the n880 (e.g. the n770's
> prettly lame media capabilities: the only useful thing out of the box
> w/ my n770 was web browsing, and that was only after some OS updates
> made the browser quite a bit more stable). Browsing, email, music,
> video, phone calls, on one device, all will almost certainly work
> nearly flawlessly.

I think you've decided how this discussion will end already ("almost
certainly" and "nearly flawlessly" indeed).  I, personally, am far
happier with a Debian-like system that I can use to SSH and run Linux
apps, than with something like the iPhone.  Whether Nokia will find a
big audience for the N800, and whether it will compete directly with
the iPhone, only time will tell, but I doubt the latter.

> Again, the only reason that the latter is the case is because Nokia
> didn't get all that stuff implemented before they released their
> device, and won't open the platform enough that non-Nokia people that
> are so inclined can help (just look at the continuing thread about
> video scaling if you need more evidence of that).

I have seen good results from individual initiative mostly unsupported
by Nokia so far (mplayer ROCKS).  I hope the ITOS2007 support for the
N800 GPU will make a difference, and will be more open.  Let's ask for
it nicely, what I've heard so far is very encouraging.

Ted
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