On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:01:36 +0200 (CEST) Robert Vazan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RV> Everything you write seems to be of interest to other list members so I
RV> don't quite understand why did you send it privately to me.

Apologies. I compiled M under Mandrake 9.0 and before I got to fixing the
"send to list vs. send to sender" stuff, I reloaded and started again and
forgot to change that. 

That reminded me to go to Preferences before I forget ;-)

RV> Well, I fear I would be pushing big ball in front of me and I wouldn't
RV> be able to complete my goals because of it. I thought about Python only
RV> because all other test frameworks use some scripting language. I am not
RV> sure why they do it.
RV> 

Most of the script languages tend to be interpreted vs compiled making
integration easier since you don't need to include a compiler. Most are
also easier to learn ;-)

RV> > At some point down the track, I hoped to try to get one of the Python
RV> > based spam filters like spam-bayes working entirely within Mahogany
RV> so
RV> > users can have spam filtering but don't have to mess about setting up
RV> > POP proxies.
RV> 
RV> One question is whether we want to use Python internally for projects
RV> like above or whether it gives some value to users. Making it available
RV> to users requires building interfaces to all Mahogany components. These
RV> interfaces would be also necessary for testing framework. They are a
RV> lot of work. Integrating some Python-based tool is much less work.

Having spent a lot of time in the buglist, you will be suprised how much of
the internals of M users have asked to be exposed. Since Python works with
wxWindows already it is a shorter step to achieve using Mahogany than say
starting again with Lisp or somethingn else. 

There is aleady some Python stuff in M so it is not like we need to start
from fresh, rather it is an enhancement job. As to how hard, I could not say.

RV> > >  * So did anybody try testing beyond "just try it on myself" level?
RV> > 
RV> > It would fit very nicely into my QA job but I'm not a programmer. I
RV> > would be interested in working with you on that. I looked at trying
RV> > to learn C++ but it gave me headaches. I was wondering how hard Python
RV> > was?
RV> 
RV> I learnt C++ through trial and error over years of use. I wrote total
RV> of one line of Python code as part of one bugfix. :-) After writing few
RV> initial test cases, I will sure build some "base" functions that make
RV> actual test cases look much like scripts. I doubt we will ever get any
RV> test cases from end users. Your help would be welcome.

I'm wondering which line I should learn how to do so we can claim to be
100% better off :-)

The first thing we would have to do is hack the makefiles to allow
compilation against Python 2.2 or 2.3 and then see how much of what is
already in there is broken :-)

Hello world, here I come ;-) LOL

Dr. QA






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