Hello everyone,

After a long time, we've finally managed to upgrade to the latest version
of Mailman 2.
Some of the original issues are resolved, thank you, but now we have
different issues, more details below:

I would like to ask you where the system gets the names you see in the
"sent by" field, because sometimes the name doesn't make it clear who is
sending the email and we would like to know if it is something we can
control or change.

Another question is where the system gets the name of the person who
appears in the "reply to" field.



I've already seen wrong/different than what was expected names twice using
Mail on Macbook.

The message is sent, for example, by Mario Rossi, and the system adds his
email address to the cc. The problem is the reply-to field, because there
one sees the name of, for example, Claudio Bianchi, which has nothing to do
with this message and so I don't understand why his name appears above the
general address of the mailing list.



With MS Outlook instead what one sees in the sent-by field is the
following: list name list-boun...@domain.ext on behalf of XXX via list name
l...@domain.ext.

Is it possible to have l...@domain.ext instead of list-boun...@domain.ext?

If you have any hints for where to look or any ideas, it would be great.

Thank you,

Florin Pasăre,


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:50 PM Florin Pasăre <fpas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello and thank you.
> I will forward these replies to the dev that manages the servers and see
> if we can get an upgrade to the latest version of Mailman 2 and continue
> from there.
> Thank you again for your time.
>
> Florin Pasăre,
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:26 AM Stephen J. Turnbull <
> turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
>
>> Florin Pasăre writes:
>>
>>  > Thank you for your response. I know we should upgrade, but because
>>  > of company policies this is not really an option at the moment,
>>
>> Like Carl and Mark, I strongly recommend upgrading to most recent
>> Mailman 2.  This is straightforward, and during the process you can
>> get round-the-clock support here because everyone has done it several
>> times.  You don't need to get the attention of developers, community
>> support is excellent.
>>
>> You do not have to worry about losing archives from a Mailman 2
>> upgrade, because the archival format is just the mbox that your MTA
>> produces for you.  The web pages are a presentation that can be
>> rebuilt (at some cost in time) at any time.  In fact, the most recent
>> month's pages are rebuilt from mboxes every day by a cron job.  Even
>> the URLs of individual messages remain the same (unless you edit the
>> mbox by removing or reordering messages).  (If you use an alternative
>> to the bundled "Pipermail" archiver, you still probably have all the
>> mboxes somewhere in the system, but you should check that.)
>>
>>  > at least not an upgrade to Mailman 3.
>>
>> That is a project that will require some planning in any case.  You
>> can preserve the mbox files (and even leave the old Mailman 2 archive
>> CGIs running), and in that sense you won't lose archives.  However,
>> the version of the Python email package in Python 3 does not cope well
>> with some of the weird things you find in Mailman 2, and we have not
>> yet learned how to catch and repair all of them at import time.  Also,
>> importing messages into HyperKitty changes all the message URLs
>> (completely different format based on hashed Message-IDs rather than
>> serial number).  So you probably should think in terms of a man-week
>> for planning, and a man-week or so for execution, anyway.
>>
>> I recommend you start "softening up" the CIO for a migration in a year
>> or two.  Eventually it's going to become painful to maintain Python 2
>> applications because even the oldest LTS distributions don't provide
>> old system libraries needed by Python 2, or because QA or CISO says
>> you can't use them any more because they're too old/vulnerable.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
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