Hello Michael , Your support team no longer answers the tickets. We still keep getting the 4xx error as server busy.
When will a legal explanation come from Hotmail (or Microsoft)? Thank you On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > > The AS codes are internal IDs, and are not ASNs. > > Each one means something different. > > Conflating the different codes is pretty much the same as saying, "My Mail > Was Blocked!" > > It's not overly helpful in diagnosing the issue. > > > > Again, open a ticket; it's the only wat to get visibility on general > issues. > > > > https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866&clcid > > > > Aloha, > > Michael. > > -- > > *Michael J Wise* > Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis > > "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." > > Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool > <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ? > > > > *From:* Maarten Oelering [mailto:maar...@postmastery.net] > *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 12:22 AM > *To:* Benjamin BILLON <bbillon...@splio.fr> > *Cc:* "Emre Üst |euro.message|" <emre....@euromsg.com>; mailop@mailop.org; > Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com> > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some > > > > We are seeing this error on specific sender IPs. So “Server busy” may be > intentionally and dependent on the sender. > > There are also many versions of this error, with at least 6 different AS > codes. Some occur after MAIL FROM, some occur after RCPT TO, and some occur > after DATA. > > > > Previously Hotmail said something like “We have limits for how many > messages can be sent per hour and per day”. Very useful, you knew that > reputation was the issue. > > Now we just see “Server busy” with an internal code, and we have to guess > what’s wrong. It would be helpful to know more about these AS codes. Or at > least which ones are sender issues and which ones receiver issues. This > will also relieve Microsoft support I guess. > > > > Maarten Oelering > > Postmastery > > > > On 3 Nov 2017, at 07:49, Benjamin BILLON via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > wrote: > > > > Sorry to interrupt, I just have a suggestion that maybe Michael could > forward internally: there used to have a Status page for various Microsoft > services, it either moved to some secret place or was removed. There's now > a page for Office365 clients (however being myself client the page > generates an asp error, but that's not the purpose of my message). > > > > Could there be such a page somewhere again? If there are issues, just > being aware of them will already help ESPs and senders to 1) be patient and > 2) show to their clients or boss that yes, it happens, ISPs can have > outages or problems too. > > I have no idea what format it would take, probably a "working / not > working" flag wouldn't be very useful, unless it's service by service (but > I don't think MS would disclose such level of details). > > Knowing if it's geographically limited could be interesting to. > > > > Is it a realistic suggestion, or should I put this dream in the shredder? > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- > > Benjamin > > > > 2017-11-03 14:19 GMT+08:00 Emre Üst |euro.message| <emre....@euromsg.com>: > > Hi Michael, > > Yes we are still seeing same code . > > 2017-11-03 09:17:02 "451 4.7.500 Server busy. Please try again later > from []. (AS3110)" received from hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CMichael.Wise%40microsoft.com%7C9bdf992d777c4d59babf08d5228b97b1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636452905315563012&sdata=mv7S03krs60%2FCygAHKOTA5aT0vXCnyA4mvGLC8OmXYc%3D&reserved=0> > (104.47.5.33) matching /451 4.7.500 Server busy/ > > We cant send even 1000 mails to Hotmail per day . > > Thank you > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > > > This may be related to an incident a few days ago. > > Are you still seeing the 4xx retry results? > > > > Aloha, > > Michael. > > -- > > *Michael J Wise* > Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis > > "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." > > Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fdownload%2Fdetails.aspx%3Fid%3D18275&data=02%7C01%7CMichael.Wise%40microsoft.com%7C9bdf992d777c4d59babf08d5228b97b1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636452905315563012&sdata=Af6ODQb%2F2iF8YsyDkmu4cl3rUUrbXL0Z2OG2XwHSAQM%3D&reserved=0> > ? > > > > *From:* Emre Üst |euro.message| [mailto:emre....@euromsg.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:05 PM > *To:* Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com> > *Cc:* mailop@mailop.org > > > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some > > > > > > Hi Michael , > > Unfortunately , it doesnt work . Outlook Support team said that there is > not blocking on their side . > > Although the ips are Returnpath certified. Sometimes we also get 421 > RP-001 (BAY004-MC2F28) errors. But mostly 451 4.7.500 Server busy. > Meanwhile, on snds I see that there is a lot of difference between the > number of RCPT fields and Message recipientss. > > For Exp. > > > RCPT > commands 111829 > > > > DATA > commands 106093 > > > > Message > recipients 1215 > > > > Thank you > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > > > Please open a ticket. > > > > https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866&clcid > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkID%3D614866%26clcid&data=02%7C01%7CMichael.Wise%40microsoft.com%7C2f4782c55b2f40a5ef4208d5222d0ad3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636452499220192627&sdata=HbSg8Akc%2Bgzia7rHrKlJdRYe39MdC%2BmbpA95OGbvLqo%3D&reserved=0> > > > > Aloha, > > Michael. > > -- > > *Michael J Wise* > Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis > > "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." > > Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fdownload%2Fdetails.aspx%3Fid%3D18275&data=02%7C01%7CMichael.Wise%40microsoft.com%7C2f4782c55b2f40a5ef4208d5222d0ad3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636452499220192627&sdata=wjcH9RyKmDm9pNbnw02s9sUTdWVcaWqtb1m1UiN8Hkg%3D&reserved=0> > ? > > > > *From:* mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] *On Behalf Of *Emre Üst > |euro.message| > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 1, 2017 2:20 PM > *To:* mailop@mailop.org > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some > > > > Hello Michael, > > We have same issues > > 185.11.213.11;185.11.213.12;185.11.213.13;185.11.213.14;185.11.213.15 > > İts kind of like all network blocked . > > Thank you > > > > > -- > > *EMRE ÜST* > > Deliverability Specialist > > > > *t.* +902123430739 <(0212)%20343%2007%2039> > *f.* +902123430742 <(0212)%20343%2007%2042> > > *email: *emre....@euromsg.com <%23> > *skype:* user_name > *web:* euromsg.com > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euromsg.com%2F%3Futm_source%3Demail-signature%26utm_medium%3Demail&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.wise%40microsoft.com%7Cba824f4f24874b17466f08d52170646f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636451689007378293&sdata=OKyqw0qpRZ%2Bk0NczXTteF3haLx%2FJf8eWppnvMiD1XKw%3D&reserved=0> > Yeşilce Mh. 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