A lot of the issues stem from the way IT managers, and maybe technology managers in general bathe in arrogance. "There's no such thing as a good idea, unless it is *my* idea." It's easier to get blood out of a stone than for someone in IT to admit that someone else's approach to something has merit.
Email - as we know it - should have been dead years ago. But instead we keep adding band-aid after band-aid after band-aid to the system. Why is it impossible to take a look at what Instant Messaging protocols, SMTP, SMS do that make them successful and then blend those together into a new "email-like" system? I'm not going to pretend to know what the ultimate solution might be. One of the major issues with email is the address spoofing that goes on. Maybe a spoofed address doesn't authenticate with SPF or DKIM... but that only works if EVERYONE else uses SPF and DKIM... that's the bandaid. Instant messaging and SMS can't as easily be spoofed, they may be fake but senders have to register on the platform in some way (be it a Facebook account, Twitter account, phone number, etc). Would more need to be done to lock this down? Absolutely. But it's at least A obstacle that potential abusers have to overcome. Email doesn't have that. But as others have said there are definitely constraints to these instant messaging and SMS protocols: size, content, searchability, etc. These are things that regular email does well. Email was first invented in 1971 - that's over 50 years ago. We've learned a lot about how people tend to use email and how people tend to abuse email within the past 50 years. Instead of adding new constructs to email. Why not invent a new, more modern email alternative? Something that takes a lot of what we've learned from email usage over the years, what we've seen in instant messaging, SMS, and other computer communication protocols and builds on that from the ground up? Wouldn't that be better than constantly adding band-aids to email/SMTP to fix problems that pop up? And don't be afraid to say no when it comes to adding every little feature into this protocol. I'm not a huge fan of mailing lists or distributed mailings (forums accomplish the same thing with less of the hassle of email deliverability concerns). Not a huge fan of automatic email forwarders/redirects, which tend to break SPF and DKIM. Maybe things like these don't need to be allowed? I just think it's time we stop worrying about how we're going to carry email over into the 2030s, 2040s, 2050s and on. And instead start looking at how we can create an email replacement from the ground up. Too many people invested in email, you say? Email was around before SMS, before Facebook, before whatever other communication medium kids are using these days. Yet those platforms don't seem to have an issue in getting people to use them. Why couldn't a properly reimagined email replacement do the same thing? On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 5:52 PM Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 18:26:38 yuv via mailop pisze: > > > > Either it will go the other way, or folks will move away from email all > > together. I am moving away. I miss the ability to store away in > > Maildir format my correspondence and to look back in the archives to > > Eudora times and earlier, but since I made the decision to prefer other > > methods of electronic communication over email, I feel much better. > > Just out of curiosity: what better methods of communication did you find? I > can't find any. Text messages via phone won't do, any IM-type programs (be > it Facebook Messenger, Signal, Telegram or anything else) won't do either. > They are unsearchable, unmanageable, limited in size and in the type of > content you can send, plus there is the mentioned "walled gardens" issue, > that is, (except of text messages) you have to use the same service than > the > person you try to communicate with. > > For me, still nothing beats e-mail - even with all the deliverability > problems... > -- > Regards, > Jaroslaw Rafa > r...@rafa.eu.org > -- > "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there > was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop >
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