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Maybe this can be a good starting point to understand where the current couchdb market Joan was referring to, has led couchdb so far. 2015-05-11 9:18 GMT+02:00 Giovanni Lenzi <g.le...@smileupps.com>: > Hi Joan, thanks for your useful reminders. I think you hit the main point. > > 2015-05-09 20:26 GMT+02:00 Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org>: > >> *** TL;DR: the people who are willing to spend anywhere from >> thousands to millions of dollars on a CouchDB-based solution aren't >> interested in CouchApps. I think the discussion to date is missing >> this, and as such, is entirely unrepresentative of the current >> market for Apache CouchDB. >> > > > >> The answer is that there are practically no customers of Cloudant/IBM >> who are banking on CouchApps for any serious need. Every client that >> I can think of - meaning they have a dedicated cluster, and aren't >> using the shared cluster service .... >> > Cloudant built out a document-level (and field-level!) security >> solution for one customer, about two years ago now. While there was >> initial interest, performance considerations lead to the solution >> being backburnered for further consideration. Even in that situation, >> CouchApps weren't the primary concern -- database-level enforcement >> of security rules *was*. >> > > From what you cc'ed and then say, it seems that CouchDB market should be > strictly the same as Cloudant market.. Is it this what Mike and you would > like to say? And if yes, why? > > Why an Apache project, should strictly target companies with thousand to > millions dollars? > Is this allowed by "the apache way"? > Are there other Apache examples of company-driven project? > > Sorry for all these questions but I am very very ignorant in this. I > thought a project should only be driven from its users as its most > important participants. > > Thanks in advance for your useful answers. > > > >> >> Within Cloudant, perhaps Simon Metson was the primary proponent of >> using CouchApps for serious purposes. He used them in the "For >> Developers" section of the website to help demonstrate various key >> features of the platform, including the new MongoDB-inspired Mango >> feature that's now a part of CouchDB 2.0. Diana Thayer (@garbados) >> picked up on this and built a documentation framework on top of >> CouchApps. This, to me, is perhaps the ideal use of CouchApps: >> unsecured content, read-only, displayed in different formats based >> upon what the end user needs, and self-hosted by CouchDB (so you >> can view the product's documentation using the product itself). >> More information on this use is at: >> >> >> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-dev/201410.mbox/%3C28603443.66.1414446738764.JavaMail.joant@Joans-MacBook-Pro.local%3E >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Miles Fidelman" <mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> >> > To: marketing@couchdb.apache.org >> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 11:21:28 AM >> > Subject: Re: the future of couchapp >> > >> > Let's be clear. >> > (Good) marketing isn't about selling a solution to folks who don't >> > have >> > a problem in the first place, it's about it's identifying problems >> > for >> > which we offer a solution. >> > >> > And.. it occurs to me that Cloudant has been doing market research >> > and >> > "real" marketing - perhaps some folks from Cloudant might share some >> > findings related to CouchDB (as opposed to those that might relate to >> > their commercial extensions and services)? >> > >> > Miles Fidelman >> > >> > >> > >> > Giovanni Lenzi wrote: >> > >> translates user@ decisions in "how to drive them to the public"? >> > > or maybe better how to drive dev@ implemented features to the >> > > public ? >> > > >> > > 2015-05-08 16:57 GMT+02:00 Giovanni Lenzi <g.le...@smileupps.com>: >> > > >> > >> Got it, Joan. Thanks for the useful reminder, considered I am a >> > >> total >> > >> newbie here, I definitely don't know how decision-making process >> > >> is driven. >> > >> >> > >> We will cut the "features" part from this discussion then and take >> > >> it to >> > >> the devs@ list >> > >> >> > >> Here we should then focus on @jan's request about the story for >> > >> couchapps.. given that until 2 days ago that was somehow uncertain >> > >> >> > >> But I think too this is more a user@ topic... isn't maybe >> > >> marketing more >> > >> appropriate to translates user@ decisions in "how to drive them to >> > >> the >> > >> public"? If you all agree with that, you can move this discussion >> > >> to user@ >> > >> or dev@, don't know what is preferable. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> 2015-05-08 15:56 GMT+02:00 Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org>: >> > >> >> > >>> Hi all, >> > >>> >> > >>> PMC hat on... >> > >>> >> > >>> Reminding you *again* that we should not be using the MARKETING >> > >>> list to >> > >>> discuss new FEATURES and functionality for Apache CouchDB. We are >> > >>> not >> > >>> like a company where marketing makes up what they want to do, and >> > >>> development is forced to implement it. While it's a good idea to >> > >>> have a >> > >>> feedback loop between marketing and development, I am especially >> > >>> keen to >> > >>> not see Apache CouchDB turn into a marketing-driven development >> > >>> effort. >> > >>> >> > >>> If you are proposing new CouchDB features, please make those >> > >>> proposals >> > >>> on the dev@ mailing list. And if you are willing to *develop* and >> > >>> *support* those functions - even better. Current CouchDB >> > >>> development >> > >>> bandwidth is extremely limited, and would best be served by >> > >>> helping you >> > >>> to understand the current design's constraints, and the >> > >>> difficulties >> > >>> that may be inherent in what you ask for. >> > >>> >> > >>> Best regards, >> > >>> Joan >> > >>> >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >>>> From: "Giovanni Lenzi" <g.le...@smileupps.com> >> > >>>> To: marketing@couchdb.apache.org >> > >>>> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 4:05:12 AM >> > >>>> Subject: Re: the future of couchapp >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> A service-trigger feature could be one of the new features of >> > >>>>> Couch >> > >>>>> apps. >> > >>>> if possible, would be awesome :) >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> some clear design goals and a very limited set of features to >> > >>>>> add >> > >>>>> to >> > >>>> CouchDB ddocs and focus on an in-browser tool (add features to >> > >>>> Fauxton) >> > >>>> that removes the need for new developers to learn git and build >> > >>>> tools >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Giovanni Lenzi >> > >> www.smileupps.com >> > >> Smileupps Cloud App Store >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. >> > In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > Giovanni Lenzi > www.smileupps.com > Smileupps Cloud App Store > -- Giovanni Lenzi www.smileupps.com Smileupps Cloud App Store
