Marc, I am talking about the average user here, not enterprises. It is obvious that companies require different treatment, and it is also obvious that users will have a choice.
I'm still saying we need to push such a feature and make sure it is benefit to a lot of users, making sure that those updates won't break anything. This is a development challenge, testing and stuff and we should not see it as a problem. When it comes to branches, I believe it is up to us to come up with a solution like the Ubuntu one: a piece of program designed to launch a major update. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Marc Paré <m...@marcpare.com> wrote: > Hi Florian, > > Le 2012-12-29 05:24, Florian Monfort a écrit : > > > Hi Marc, > > > > I think in this case you... Think too much haha. > > > > Let's describe the average user here and think about it: > > > > - When the average user downloads, he just ... Downloads... Mostly > because > > it's free and he needs an Office Suite ASAP. > > > > Meaning : The average user downloads always the last one unless the > > download is marked in Red or with a big "UNSTABLE" mention. > > > > - When having the last version the feel like this is all done. They don't > > really think about updates, nor they actually care. > > > > Meaning : Don't think the average user spends time reading the > > specifications before choosing a version. They are not advanced users and > > they choose the most simple hint "unstable"/"stable". > > > > - When some months later another guy comes up with a better version with > > latest features this one will say "How did I not come to have the last > > one?? :O" Although he had a notification since ages telling him to > upgrade. > > > > Meaning : Auto-updates is a way for people to have the latest version and > > making their life easier, just what they ask for... > > Sorry, hit enter and the mail was gone, so continuing: >> >> You can put a pop up on first install saying "do you want us to update >> automatically" or not, something like this. >> > > This is OK with me AND preferred. > > > >> But we're also talking about Cloud Computing now, and the truth is, >> LibreOffice is ages behind it... And you know very well that there is a >> big >> advantage to Cloud Computing : You don't have to make an update to get it, >> the service is being upgraded by someone else, just like with Google Docs. >> We need that kind of "simple way to go". >> > > But if you are talking of a LibreOffice "Cloud" version, then yes, updates > can be pushed through. We do not have cloud services as yet, so this point > does not really apply. > > > >> And for the last "security" part : isn't a last version supposed to be >> more >> secure than an old one? What you say sound so weird, and yes, we make >> mistakes, like pretty every software editor, and yet, the option is >> here... >> > > Maybe we are talking about different things, and, this is my fault. I was > talking more of releases. You may find the explanation behind our > suggestion of which release to use on our website here: > http://www.libreoffice.org/**download/release-policy/<http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-policy/> > . > > > >> Oh, and about being arrogant and better-knowing : Actually Marc, in this >> case, we know better than the average user. And this is not us being >> arrogant, this is us taking responsibility for the fact that we're >> building >> an Office Suite that is going to be used by millions of users, and that >> for >> the most part, as builders, we know how it is built and what can be best >> for them with the feedback from the community. >> >> If you see arrogance in every decision-making, don't be surprised not to >> move forward ;). >> > > I am not sure an enterprise would agree with you if it had gotten a pushed > update that borked their network. Our IT staff at my schoolboard does not > install/update any software without proper testing as it has found that > newly updated software will often cause problems with their installed > software. > > I am not sure I would agree with you as well. I am a small office home > business (as well as teacher) and if a pushed update caused me wasted time, > I would remove the software. IMO, there is a fine line that is crossed when > you insist on automatic updates without the consent of the user. > > I do not see arrogance in every decision making, nor have I ever said that > I thought this way. However, I would see arrogance in a group that thinks > it knows better than the users. That group would be doomed to failure. You > only need to look to KDE and Gnome projects, KDE backtracked when it > realized that it was more prudent to listen to users; Gnome is still trying > to backtrack but in the process got forked a couple of times by groups > willing to listen to users. > > Anyway, from a marketing point of view, I would hope that I would not have > market such a feature as a silent pushed auto-updates without users' > consent. I don't think that such a feature would be too popular unless > there was an option to turn it off. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > > -- > Marc Paré > m...@marcpare.com > http://www.parEntreprise.com > parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) > parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** > libreoffice.org <marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org> > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** > unsubscribe/<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/> > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** > Netiquette <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> > List archive: > http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/<http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- *Monfort Florian* BM2 Student at France Business School Marketing Apprentice at Red Hat Marketing Team Member at The Document Foundation florian.monf...@gmail.com Mobile : +33 6 58 97 15 61 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
