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In a conflict between Ruling Class dictators and religious fundamentalists, both of which have the blood of progressives/Leftists on their hands, my position tends toward neutrality. Fie on both their houses. Let them continue to slaughter one another. When my enemies fight, I wish them both well. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Lester Schonbrun <schonb...@gmail.com>wrote: > ====================================================================== > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > ====================================================================== > > > I claim there is a similarity between reporting of events in Syria and past > reporting about Iraq, Panama, Nicaragua, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc.. It seems > to me that Assad is being singled out in the way Hussein, Noriega, Ortega, > Qaddafi, and Milosevic were. What followed in the past was US or Nato > bombardment, the devastation of the respective countries, with ordinary > people taking the heaviest toll, etc., the privatization of what had > previously been socialized, and etc. I am asking for clarification: What > makes some so certain this isn't another instance of that pattern? > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Clay Claiborne <clayc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > ====================================================================== > > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > > ====================================================================== > > > > > > I don't know how you think there is "an intense zeroing in on “human > > rights” violations." by the MSM in Syria. There has just been a very > brutal > > massacre of 1000-1500 Syria's around Banias between May-2-5 and hardly a > > word about it was said on the MSM. > > > > If they wanted to built a war fever around Syria all they would have to > do > > is report what is really happening on the human rights front, no babies > in > > incubators needed, but they don't. The true extent of the humanitarian > > situation is being hidden by the MSM. The question is why and what does > > that do to your thesis. > > > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Lester Schonbrun <schonb...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > ====================================================================== > > > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > > > ====================================================================== > > > > > > > > > Two Thoughts on Syria. > > > > > > 1. The media coverage of Syria is strikingly similar to coverage of > Iraq > > > before our “leaders” invaded that country, similar to Chile before the > > CIA > > > sponsored the coup and murder of Allende, similar to Panama before we > > > bombed them, ditto Libya, and I could name many more. In those cases, > > > there was an intense zeroing in on “human rights” violations. That > focus > > > was a precursor to US aggression. How is this different? > > > > > > 2. Why do we save characterizations like “bloodthirsty” for leaders of > > > other countries, when our leaders have shed more blood than all others > > > combined? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Michael Karadjis <mkarad...@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==============================**==============================**========== > > > > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a > message. > > > > > > > > > > ==============================**==============================**========== > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Mage > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> >Assad's Western defenders either don't mention Israel at all when > > >they > > > >> list the countries they think are waging "war on Syria" (and >hope > > > no-one > > > >> notices the omission); or, even worse, they add Israel to >their > list > > > >> despite the evidence (and hope no-one notices). > > > >> > > > >> A very odd reaction to the Israeli aggressions! It could be said > > > >> accurately the Israel is waging war > > > >> > > > > directly, the West economically, the Arab dictatorships by proxy as > > well > > > > as ideologically. None of which, of course, justifies a smidgen of > > > support > > > > for Assad! > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > If you mean actual war on Syria, then exactly, Israel is the only > state > > > > that has actually waged war, with these latest bombings, and in any > > case > > > > with the 46 year occupation sovereign Syrian territory in the Golan, > it > > > is > > > > in a state of war. > > > > > > > > But the post was not talking about war on Syria, but about the "war > on > > > > Syria," ie, leftist code for the 99% indigenous Syrian uprising > (quite > > > > separate is the issue of the proportion of this uprising that is > still > > > > democratic v the proportion that is reactionary-sectarian). It is > code > > > for > > > > support for Assad's bloodthirsty repression. Pro-Assad leftists > usually > > > > list Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, the US and other imperialist > powers. > > My > > > > contention is that to the extent to which it is true - ie actual > arming > > > of > > > > the reactionary-sectarian elements - it only concerns those first > three > > > > countries, not the US. > > > > > > > > Above all it does not include Israel, which, notwithstanding its > actual > > > > acts of war on Syria as a country and the Syrian people, has a > distinct > > > > preference for the Assad regime over the popular opposition in the > war > > > > going on. > > > > > > > > ______________________________**__________________ > > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.**utah.edu< > > > Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu> > > > > Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.** > > > > utah.edu/mailman/options/**marxism/schonbrun%40gmail.com< > > > > > > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/schonbrun%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > > > Set your options at: > > > > > > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/clayclai%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Clay Claiborne, Director > > Vietnam: American Holocaust > > <http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com<http://vietnamamericanholocaust.com/> > > > > Linux Beach Productions > > Venice, CA 90291 > > (310) 581-1536 > > > > Read my blogs at the Linux Beach <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/> > > <http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track> > > ________________________________________________ > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > > Set your options at: > > > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/schonbrun%40gmail.com > > > ________________________________________________ > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/gulfmann%40gmail.com > ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
