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I generally agree with David, at least in the sense that there was no substantial analysis of the Spartacist League, instead somewhat flippant dismissals. Was that unfair? maybe so, who has the time and interest to try to seriously describe and explain the nature and course of the Spartacist League (and the ICL,FI). i'm in favor of an ecumenical attitude of solidarity toward all those who have made choices to primarily devote their lives to working for social change 'in the Marxist tradition.' That certainly includes David Thorstad. Glad to see that David is reading marxmail. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Joseph Catron via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > FYI, this co-founder of NAMBLA feels we've all been terribly unfair to the > poor Sparts. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Thorstad <bin...@gvtel.com> > Date: Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:12 PM > Subject: on the Sparts > To: > > Guys, > I have followed the utterly sectarian and distorted exchanges on Proyect's > list about the Spartacists. I find everything you and others have posted > tendentious and foolish and smug. Sure, the Sparts are "sectarian," but > have you ever met anyone more sectarian than Louis Proyect himself? I > haven't. A few years ago, I met Frank Fried (recently deceased and praised > by Proyect on his list), and when I asked Frank if he was on Marxmail, he > said no. Why? Because, he claimed, Proyect was too sectarian. At the time, > I didn't get his point, but subsequently this became all to obvious. > Whatever faults the Spartacists might have, I can say that as a former > prominent leader of the gay movement in New York City, even though the > Sparts never participated in any of our actions, their positions on sexual > freedom are miles ahead of any other leftist group I have ever known. I > don't agree with them on everything (e.g., they support gay marriage, even > while pointing out the reactionary nature of marriage in general, whereas I > am against all marriage, including same-sex marriage--a middle- and > upper-class issue if ever there was one). > Proyect's list has become more and more vapid and useless, and the > silly exchanges on the Spartacists are the latest example of idiotic and > uninformed navel gazing. > David > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Joseph Catron <jncat...@gmail.com> wrote: > > They have a real issue with rape. If there's ever been one they were >> unwilling to defend, I didn't hear about it. >> > > -- > "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen > lytlað." > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/daynegoodwin%40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
