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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Thorstad <bin...@gvtel.com> Date: Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:12 PM Subject: on the Sparts To: Guys, I have followed the utterly sectarian and distorted exchanges on Proyect's list about the Spartacists. I find everything you and others have posted tendentious and foolish and smug. Sure, the Sparts are "sectarian," but have you ever met anyone more sectarian than Louis Proyect himself? I haven't. A few years ago, I met Frank Fried (recently deceased and praised by Proyect on his list), and when I asked Frank if he was on Marxmail, he said no. Why? Because, he claimed, Proyect was too sectarian. At the time, I didn't get his point, but subsequently this became all to obvious. Whatever faults the Spartacists might have, I can say that as a former prominent leader of the gay movement in New York City, even though the Sparts never participated in any of our actions, their positions on sexual freedom are miles ahead of any other leftist group I have ever known. I don't agree with them on everything (e.g., they support gay marriage, even while pointing out the reactionary nature of marriage in general, whereas I am against all marriage, including same-sex marriage--a middle- and upper-class issue if ever there was one). Proyect's list has become more and more vapid and useless, and the silly exchanges on the Spartacists are the latest example of idiotic and uninformed navel gazing. David Ken Hiebert replies: It is worth noting that two people, myself and Joseph Catron, have offered links to the writings of the Spartacists as a way of understanding their politics. While Thorstad praises their "...positions on sexual freedom...," he does not cite any article that would allow us to see this for ourselves. He does say that "...the Sparts never participated in any of our actions,..." Never. _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
