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on Freitag, 31. Juli 2015 at 13:50, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:
about the "Council for the National Interest":
> If Jeff's politics and witch-hunting are considered leftism then he can
> have leftism. I'll take Iyad Burnat and Ed Peck instead, they appear to be
> making actual sacrifices to liberate oppressed people while others are more
> interested in stamping Palestine with their political platforms and then
> demanding purity.
Not at all. Those people of the "Council for the National Interest" just want
to remove an obstacle to the absolute domination of the USA over all peoples of
this planet.
They are not acting differently than the British imperialists when these
implemented the policies of their 1939 "White Paper", and restricted the
Zionist immigration, which aimed at keeping the Arabs under the British boots,
to avoid that they might look for support against oppressor from the enemy of
their enemy, just as the Arabs had been fooled by the French, British and
Italian colonial powers in World War 1. French troops evicted 'Abdallah by
military force after he proclaimed himself the King of the Arabs in Damascus.
British colonial troops also tried to contain the oppressive moves of de
Gaulle's "Free French" to reassert French colonial rule over Lebanon and Syria,
which also seen by London as arousing the whole of Arabia against their
(current European) oppressors.
The "Council for the (US-American) National Interest" is also in the same line
of de Gaulle who went from his triumphant "Je vous ai compris" [I have
understood you] speech before a mass of French settlers in Algiers to the peace
treaty of Evian which assured Algeria of its independence.
Finally the rebuff which Ian Smith received from London when he declared
independence for a "White" ruled Rhodesia.
The British colonialists had more to lose than just Palestine, they had to
care for their world wide Briish Empire.
Same today. There are rifts in the US ruling class or their political
representatives, of which one faction finds a political expression in this CNI:
it would be better for the total domination over the planet if the US would do
away with the friction caused by the colonial settler state of Israel. They see
the USofA as the "only indispensable nation" of humanity; all other nations are
dispensable in the eyes of the US empire. The Sandinista hymn rightly calls the
US ruling class the "enemigo de la humanidad", the enemy of mankind.
on Freitag, 31. Juli 2015 at 01:36, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:
>> Elsewhere, presumably, the US is pursuing its own interests and that is
>> as it should be.
>
> Where does it say that? Honestly, I'm sick of the Nancy Drew
> let's-find-Nazis bullshit whenever there are peace activists that aren't
> waving around their left credentials. CNI is an organization of mostly
> diplomats and former governmental personnel like Abourezk and Ed Peck, of
> course they'd talk about "American interests". So what?
So you see the desire to rule over foreign people as the same as the desire of
same people to get rid of foreign domination?
> The "national interest" rhetoric is also quite normal. How is it different
> from emphasizing that we need "money for jobs and education (i.e.
> domestically), not for war and occupation," or saying "Bring our Troops
> home," or any of the other nationalist rhetoric that dominates peace
> activism in any given country?
Like "nationalist rethoric" of the Vietnamese and the US-American ruling class
during the US war against Vietnam -- all the same?
The nationalist rethoric of "Algerie française" and the "nationist rethoric"
of "freedom and independence for Algeria" -- all the same?
Can't you see the contradiction of oppressor and oppressed?
> I think CNI is a great organization and this is much ado about nothing.
Well, if you think that the US ruling class is right in assuming a "manifest
destiny" to rule over all of humanity, to maintain a world wide network of
military bases, aircraft carrier fleets in all oceans, and of torture centers
and assasination squads threatening to strike in each and every country, you
are on the other side of the barricade.
on Freitag, 31. Juli 2015 at 13:50, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:
> It's interesting how Jeff's callous dismissals of a bunch of diplomats and
> Congresspeople who burned their old bridges and became outspoken critics of
> imperialism
that is a grave error.
Do these people advocate independence for Puerto Rico? To they call for the
USA to give the illegely occupied piece of land at the exit of Guantanamo Bay,
where they have built a concentration camp and torture center, back Cuba to the
Cuban people?
Do they call for withdrawing all US military behind the US borders?
The have not "burned bridges", but do propose only a variant of the US
imperialist rule over the world. It's a mere tactical difference.
> so easily transfer to being dismissive of Palestinian
> grassroots activists when it is convenient for him.
It is a grave error for Arab freedom fighters, in Palestine or other parts of
the Arab nation, to expect deliverance from the US-American ruling class. If
they do, they commit the same error as their forefathers who expected
deliverance from the European colonialists in their fight against the Ottoman
empire.
And please note that there is not only a difference, but a contradiction
between the US ruling class and the oppressed classes of the same country, the
working class and the exploited farmers.
The interest of the nation are the interests of the ruling class or of the
class which strives to take over the rule, as Leon Trotsky noted in one of his
major articles on the fight against fascism in Germany.
The US working class has its own interest to disassociate itself from their
imperialist rulers, and they wont be able to liberate themselves if they don't.
Cheers,
Lüko Willms
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