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Nice try at obscuring that white nationalists (not white male status anxiety) driving the campaign. You had to stick to [illegal] immigration and not even talk about the people - immigrates. If you strayed a bit - you would have to incorporate the Trump campaign HATRED for Muslims and blacks into your its all about neo-liberalism meme. Obviously I can't speak for others on this list, but as a Marxist, I support the free flow of labor across borders. There are no real restrictions on the flow of capital but the capitalist impose it on labor - in part by declaring a part of their labor "illegal", a label you clearly endorse. As a Marxist I don't subscribe to Trump's brand of nationalism or yours. Excuse me now I have a chassis swap to attend to in DCOPs-DFW. Best regards, Clay Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust <http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com> Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/> <http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galli...@illinois.edu> wrote: > [Trump’s attack on illegal immigration is an attack on neoliberalism - and > the misery neoliberal policies have produced for much of the US population > over the last 40 years - while enriching the 1%. The following is from < > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2011/01/let-them-eat-diversity/>.] > > ...who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know ... the only people who > are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists. > > First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in > so far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a > welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open > the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper > you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs > Foreign Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better > than legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive > to market conditions. > > So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal > immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so > upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it > hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of > marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the US is a very high tolerance of > illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of ne plus > ultra of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s why > for years — even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms — as a policy > it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to talk > against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama > administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by > the Tea Party. > > ...The Tea Party thinks that immigrants are taking away their money. It’s > not immigrants who are taking away their money; it’s neoliberalism that’s > taking away their money. And this is true even though the Tea Party is a > disproportionately upper middle class movement. There is some debate about > that, but what theTimes survey shows, at least in part, is that Tea > Partiers in general are richer than most Americans, closer to the top 20 > percent than they are to the middle. But if you look at the distribution of > income in the last 10 years what you’re struck by is that the top 20 > percent looks like it’s done very well in relation to everyone else and the > top 10 percent looks like it’s done very very well in relation to everyone > else but it’s the top 1 percent who have really made out like bandits. And > if you separate out the top 1 percent from the rest of the 19 that makes up > the top 20, the 19 have more or less stayed still, they have not increased > their proportion of the share of the US income very much over the past > 10–15 years. Almost all the increase has gone to the top 1 percent. So you > now have a threat even to the upper middle class, which for the first 15–20 > years of neoliberalism benefited from it tremendously, but which is now not > exactly losing ground in relation to the country as a whole, but is losing > ground in relation to this new phenomenon, this extraordinary success of > the top 1, or to some extent, the top 5 percent. And you begin to see those > people actually feeling a certain sense of anxiety... > > People always bridle when I say this, but I really doubt that the main > issue here is white male status anxiety. Obviously I’m not in a position to > say there aren’t people who are experiencing it. What I’m saying is that > people in the Tea Party movement have a problem that is realer than “white > male status anxiety,” that the economic shifts that are taking place, the > more and more extreme inequality, the more and more going to the top, no > doubt some people may be unhappy because of loss of status, but many > millions more are going to be unhappy because of the loss of actual money. > So my point isn’t really to deny the phenomenon of status anxiety, it’s > just to point out the extraordinaire eagerness of American liberals to > identify racism as the problem, so that anti-racism (rather than > anti-capitalism) can be the solution... > > —CGE > > On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > I am so amazed that people on this list aren't more troubled by Trump's > racism. Did you hear his speech on immigration? > > Nobody here comments.Nobody here cares. Where are the exposures of Trump's > white nationalist connections. > > I feel like the treachery of the "anti-imperialist" Left,which is no > stranger to white chauvinism, has come home/ > > > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
