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same old Maoist garbage On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Joseph Green via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > Andrew Pollack <acpolla...@gmail.com>Andrew Pollock refuses to deal with > what > it means that so many advocates of the "permanent revolution" has fallen on > their face with respect to the Arab Spring, as shown by the stands of > Socialist Action and a number of other Trotskyist organizations. Instead, > he > repeatedly calls me a Menshevik, either directly or by arbitrarily > asserting > that I uphold Menshevik positions. > > In October 3, Pollock wrote in reply to me: > > >Oy. > >The Mensheviks are back at it. > >Once again 90% of their argument against permanent revolution > >is based on whether particular worker > >organizing/mobilizing/theoretical steps are > >possible or likely. And their answer is always No. > > So here he derides me as a Menshevik, simply because I criticize permanent > revolution. And he says that I am opposed to workers organizing and > struggling on all fronts. > > But for year after year, I have said exactly the opposite. Pollock doesn't > know or care what I have written. He simply repeats a stock Trotskyist > attack > on a critic. > > Pollock comes back to the same theme, however, on October 21 when he writes > that > > > ... why I get angry at Joe, [is] because he (and Sam Hamad) want > > only democratic demands addressed > > A lie is a lie no matter how often it's repeated. I have stressed, year in > and year out, that the working class should raise social demands in a > democratic movement. > > What I do claim is that, due to the concrete circumstances of the Arab > Spring, the uprisings didn't have any chance of leading to socialist > revolution. That's very different from saying that the workers won't, or > cannot, or shouldn't have any their own class role in the Arab Spring. In > fact, I would argue that it's essential for the workers to realize the > democratic nature of various movements if they are to have a chance to > build > up their own independent movement which not only zealously participates in > the democratic movement but has its own socialist goals that go far beyond > that of the general democratic movement. > > -- Joseph Green > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
