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Well, my students come into my classes as "the masses" with some films are mere entertainment and leave knowing that even mere entertainment has the earmarks of whence it came. Myself, I don't fancy notions of high art, but find any cultural development open to a radical critical critique and argue that this types of critiques need to move from Cinema Journal to the language of scholars outside the field. No reason we can't jettison jargon and still argue that films and conventions, as common sense, do help build ideological formations at some point in the process. On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:35 PM, DW via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > John R., truly, I feel sad you that you can counter-culturally isolate > yourself from what the masses of people see at the movies. "Propaganda"? > Prove it. Tell the members of the Writers Guild they as saps for > capitalism. Tell them that they are not artists but just US gov't social > sycophants. What a fucked up POV. EVERYTHING under capitalism bears the > stamp of class society. There are no exceptions. And so what? I went to see > The Black Panther fully aware that this wasn't an artistic exercise with > great social implications. I went to be entertained. We can argue about the > merit of what is entertaining but I, nor my son, came out of this film with > a renewed or new sense of social patriotism and God bless American > capitalism. Not even a *little*. I doubt anyone was. We were all > entertained, mission accomplished. > > Rap music *exists* because of capitalism, John. It was dialectically > created, as were Blues and Jazz as a reaction to oppression...or, more for > rap, alienation. From the *beginning* it contained major elements of > mysogony and anti-gay bigotry. This was true from the first tunes coming > out of the Bronx neighborhood it originated it. As such, Rap contains and > continues to contain all forms of contradictions. Such is culture under > capitalism. Looking for pure anti-capitalist culture misses the entire > point of literary and artistic criticism. > > I stand by what I said and reject all PC and Socialist Realist horse shit. > > David > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/mediacrusher%40gmail.com > -- J.A. Masko College of Communications Penn State University State College, Pa 16801 "The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned." Antonio Gramsci. _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
