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Of course unfocused property destruction does not advance the movement. But the ritual denunciations of Antifa don't help clarify things either. Especially in such a group of anarchists which is not really an organization, there can be all types - woman beaters, racists, and supporters of Israel included. But the idea that the last - Israel supporters - is in any way a significant percentage is simply false. It just doesn't stand to reason, nor does it meet with my personal experience here in the SF Bay Area. The main point is this, though: If you denounce antifa without an explanation of why they have become so prominent and what is the alternative, then what is left is simply the implication that we should return to the nice, safe, "peaceful" marches -- the same approach that has accomplished nothing. Antifa has become so prominent because of the absence of a large sector of the working class, specifically because of the absence of the unions. If the union leadership were organizing and mobilizing its membership, it would be shutting down the country and creating a real massive working class movement. The presence of a mass or organized workers would also tend to lead to a serious discussion on both program and tactics. So, if you want to denounce something, start by denouncing the union leadership. John Reimann -- *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com