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"But the idea that the last - Israel supporters - is in any way a significant percentage is simply false " It is more subtle. There are, of course, outright supporters of Israel involved in Antifa and Autonomen groups, especially in Germany. They are disgusting freaks but have no problem using their shared Islamophobia to collaborate with the German state and the far-right, for example, in their recent bid to close pro-Palestine DJs out of a popular Autonomist-aligned club or their racist attacks on Rasmea Odeh. In practice it is, however, more like feigned support for Palestine mixed with bogus anti-Semitism witch-hunts, as outright attacks on Palestine liberation are no longer acceptable among other left formations. Those attitudes have been quite common in my experience, and they tail the politics of Jewish liberal NGOs that have similarly contradictory positions (IfNotNow, JFREJ, etc.). So they may not be flying the Israeli flag (as in Germany) but they are still Zionists and have been pretty instrumental in making Palestine liberation an exception in Left coalitions. I'd add it's a problem that's not unique to Antifa but it's one place I've seen it treated as acceptable. I'd also emphasize I am not saying everyone involved in Antifa has Zionist or Zionist-apologetic politics, but enough do and in my experience it wasn't discrediting or grounds for exclusion/expulsion. Naturally I can't cite something more authoritative than what I've witnessed personally, so I'll just leave it at that! Amith R. Gupta On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 10:24 AM Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > On 6/5/20 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Masko wrote: > > Folks I know personally do not sneer at peaceful protests and work to > > separate their actions so the old tired out narrative of peaceful > > protest hijacked is provable to be false, along with the idea violence > > is used that somehow soils the other peaceful protest when the fact is > > that those who often put their bodies on the line protecting POC are > > vilified and lumped in with looters (god forbid anyone loot) and > > property destruction/vandalism. > > I am not even sure what it means to protect POC just as long it doesn't > involve torching a post office or a library. When the Migizi American > Indian community center burned down, someone excused it because it was > an accident. It was collateral damage of the targeted building, the > fucking post office. Who in their right mind would want to torch the > post office that is paid for by our tax dollars and that Donald Trump > also wants to destroy? Besides the post office, a library got torched. > > In any case, this business about "riots" has wound down, except kept > alive by Trump and his minions. Almost everybody is involved in > traditional protests, number one, and, number two, does so without > needing to be defended. There will still be cop attacks as took place > near the White House but it is simply beyond the scope of any antifa > activists to serve as a defense guard when there are 480 cities that > have seen protests, including tiny upstate NY towns that I have reported > on. In both Walkill and Monroe, everything happened without any cop > attacks. I suspect that is true in nearly all cases. This is not Egypt > in 2011, even though Trump would like to be able to make it so. > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
