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No, I'm saying what I was saying-- that to argue that the TP movement exists or exerts an attraction because there is no strong left movement in the US is incorrect. I am not arguing that it exists because there is a strong movement. I am stating to make such an argument "no strong left, ergo tea party" is to provide an ideological excuse rather than a concrete analysis. The TP movement exists because it is bankrolled by the bourgeoisie, or a sector of the bourgeoisie, that want it to exist not because the left is weak I am using the analogy of the "fascists would really be sympathetic to communism, if only we were a better organized, stronger movement" to point out the absurdity of that view. There is, after all, a convergence of history and logic. We call that convergence dialectic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad bauerly" <bbaue...@gmail.com> ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com