On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 11:27 AM, Walter Daum wrote: > > The Chinese revolution, earth-shaking and partially emancipatory though it > was, was not made by the working class and did not put the working class > in charge of the state. The revolutionary Chinese state eventually called > itself socialist, but according to Marx’s Marxism it was neither socialism > nor transitional to it.
How one characterizes the the regime - even as "state capitalist" - matter less to me than whether the 1949 revolution is considered an "earth-shaking" and "emancipatory" event, whose effects are felt to this day. In fact, one could argue, as I have, that the greatest advances in the material conditions of the masses occured after and in reaction to the Maoist period, and is widely perceived this way within China despite the inequality which accompanied the 70's NEP-like turn to the market. My impression from this discussion is that those who see the PRC as capitalist and imperialist don't consider that it represents an historic advance - or ceased to be such following Deng - because it falls short of their various conceptions of the socialist ideal. The subtext is that capitalism, considered by the classical Marxists to have exhausted its capacity for developing the productive forces. has been succeeded not by socialism but by a more dynamic form of capitalism which has expanded them in China at an historically unmatched pace. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#29728): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/29728 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/105142448/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
