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‘’ false consciousness’’ is the refuge of the Nation-State paradigm initiated by Hegel and the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 creating the German Nation-State, which did not include the jewish and Romani nationalities the Siti, for reasons of our Oriental origins. � For a Marxist to extoll the definition of the Nation-Sate, or a territorial designated culture, is to discredit Marxism itself. � How long does it take for one to realize that a Nation exists, more than 2,000 years. The Jewish People is a People-Nation and not a Nation-State, as in Zionism. We are not an ethnicity either, since we comprise a number of ethnicities. We are not necessarily a religion either, both because the term religion is a Christian concept, and our Judaic culture includes the self-definition as a Nation, irrespective of theology. Just read Samual 1 8 6-22 , for example. � In any case, it is up to the Jewish People to define ourselves and not the casual observer. � Zionism is not National-Identity but rather Nationalism, of the State, even when founded by some petit-bourgeois in 1897. � � Dr abrahim � � From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marv Gandall via groups.io � I understand Judaism to be a world religion. � I believe there was a Yiddish-speaking community with a common history and culture concentrated in Eastern Europe which corresponded to the modern definition of a nation. � � Arguably, a Hebrew-speaking nation was formed in Palestine by settlers mainly originating from that Eastern European community. � � But observant Jews from Sweden to Morroco no more constitute a nation than do the practioners of other international religions. � � Of course, this has not prevented many descendants of the East European Yiddish-speaking community from continuing to self-identify as “Jewish” even though they do not speak the ancestral language or practice the religion or congregate together and have only varying degrees of second-hand acquaintance with the history and culture of the schtels. � � This has unfortuntely fed into the Zionist nationalist narrative that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people worldwide. Even those who reject the centrality of Israel believe they belong to a distinctive ethnic group, an inherited or imposed social construct which represents a form of false consciousness. _._,_._,_ _____ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#31851): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/31851 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/107980589/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
