On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 08:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> To have this discussion without recognizing that both "free trade" and
> "protection" are simply ideologies de jure-- ideological flips... Look at
> the rate  of growth of international trade in the 18 years prior to 2007
> and compare it to the rate of growth in the 18 years since.  Think that
> might have something to do with it?... Free trade. tariffs, quotas? 
> Remember free trader Ronald Reagan?  Imposed quotas on auto imports... The
> debate free trade/protectionism is a classic trick bag.

Sartesian seems to believe that no one on this list understands, as did Marx 
and Engels, that there are splits in the ruling class on all major questions, 
that positions can shift and parties realign in accordance with changing 
conditions - particularly in relation to the preference for "free trade" and 
"protection" in the case of rising and declining  industries and global powers. 
 The US now fears Chinese trade competition in the same way Britain once feared 
the rise of the US and Germany.  US strategists have become more alarmed in the 
18 years since 2007 and the ensuing global capitalist recession than they were 
in the 18 years prior following the collapse of the Soviet Union when they were 
supremely confident the US could integrate a subordinated China into its 
unipolar economic order.


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