> On Jan 13, 2026, at 22:43, hari kumar via groups.io > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thus - for my own part, I felt it needed deeper exploration - Hence: > "Views of Marx and Engels on Revolutionary Organisations" > 13 January 2026-> > https://mlrg.online/history/views-of-marx-and-engels-on-revolutionary-organisations/
That is a deep dive in the "discussion of 'party' on Marxmail," and leadership is among the biggest problems facing the international left today. Your article was a 50-page pdf when I downloaded it. I expect you could reduce it considerably by moving quotations to footnotes. That could make it accessible to more people. But I appreciate the quotations. I've read this story in various places but your treatment is well integrated and well documented IMHO. Your history traces the evolution the views of Marx and Engels on worker political organization up to Lenin. But does Lenin's writings on party represent the highest form of working class organization? Your plan in the booklet is "To show there is no major difference in the views of Marx and Engels versus Lenin..." You didn't say why you're doing that, and why there would be no significant differences between Marx, Engels and Lenin. Do we expect that great minds think alike, or is it a coincidence? Or is there only one, true party organization for working people under capitalism? I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if there were many differences. Marx and Engels lived in a time when "the mass proletarian movement awoke to its own powers...", but Lenin lived in the time of highly-organized industrial working classes in Europe and mass socialist parties, at least in Europe. I wonder how a particular capitalist epoch and a particular population might necessarily alter the precepts of working-class political organization over time - particularly for today. I also have an issue, nit, or maybe I'm wrong, but I think the term "united front" is anachronism when applied to the 19th century: "Thirdly, another fundamental concept can be seen within this entire text. Without naming it as such, it expresses the need of a United Front." I understand the Comintern's united front tactic to be for specific campaigns and precluded any merging of the organizations. The united front of Lenin's time addressed the split mass socialist and communist parties. Engels' concept may include united front in the Comintern sense, but it seems much more general and also can apply to a fledgling International or labor union. In the post WW II era, many people have extended the concept of the united front to be made up of mass organizations in addition to, or instead of, the various small groups on the left. Much more could be said about cadre, party discipline, working-class vanguard, and leadership. But I'll stop here. thanks, Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40271): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40271 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117257520/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
