On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 05:57 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > >> On Feb 5, 2026, at 09:29, Charles via groups.io <charles1848@...> wrote: >> >> You can't defend your charge against Lenin >> > > > That's not true. In my previous note, I wrote that Lenin was wrong to > expect that workers would control and shape Taylor's methods > >
You also charged that "the notion of the productive forces as neutral led Lenin to support Taylorism" – Taylorism that you take as inevitably a tool of the capitalists. It was this charge to which I quoted Lenin's clear statement recognizing that Taylorist technique could be used by capitalists, but also by a socialist society. In addition, you and then Esteban assert, "Taylorism is an example of a capitalist productive force that is useless to a post-capitalist system for the reasons Gramsci explained." I plead ignorance on this point, along with quite a few others on this list, so allusion to Gramsci's reasons means little; the actual reasons need to be laid out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#40531): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/40531 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/117439078/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
