On Wed, Feb 18, 2026 at 10:31 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:

> 
> Russia's aim was to take over the entire country. They were marching to
> Kiev in 2022. If an army is occupying a country with the aim of
> incorporating it into their empire, then this is obviously a violation of
> national self determination.

The Russians invaded Ukraine not  to " to take over the entire country...with 
the aim of incorporating it into their empire ” but to replace the hostile 
government in Kiev with a friendly one. This was not an historically unique 
action. When a country with the military means to do so feels threatened by a 
hostile power or alliance which establishes a forward base on its border, it 
will act preemptively when diplomacy breaks down. If a Canadian central 
government were to forcefully quash a pro-American separatist movement in 
Alberta with the improbable assistance of Russia and China which encouraged and 
provided it with massive economic, military, and intelligence assistance, it 
would provoke a US invasion and likely without any prior attempt to negotiate a 
peaceful resolution to the crisis. The US would proceed to depose the 
anti-American government in Ottawa and restore a friendly one much as Russia 
tried to do without success at the outbreak of the war in Ukraine.

Moreover, it is not only capitalist states which can be expected to react in 
this way. Much has been said about how Lenin and the Bolsheviks promoted the 
right of national self-determination but they not treat it as an inviolate 
principle. The Red Army invaded Ukraine in 1918 to depose the government of the 
recently-elected Rada in Kiev which was repressing pro-Bolshevik forces in 
alliance with the Whites. The Rada was allied with the  Central Powers who 
promptly intervened to expel the Red Army. Much to the chagrin of Trotsky and 
the Bolsheviks, the Rada delegates were seated alongside the Central Powers at 
Brest-Litovsk. When the German and Austro-Hungarian empires subsequently lost 
the war, the Red Army returned to Ukraine to defeat the counter-revolutionary 
forces headed by Petlura and then rolled on across the border into 
newly-independent Poland in an unsuccessful effort to replace Pilsudski’s 
bourgeois nationalist government.

While I don’t take sides in wars between capitalist powers and instead call for 
an immediate cessation of the fighting in which the working class has no 
interest and suffers all of the costs, as it does today in Ukraine, I would 
have supported the Red Army invasion of Ukraine and Poland in the threatening 
circumstances which faced the Bolsheviks a little more than a century ago. Any 
reservations I might have had about the invasion then would not have arisen 
from abstract moral or legal principles but would have been strategic, relating 
to the invasion’s likely outcome and the wider interests of the international 
working class, which is precisely how the question was properly framed within 
the divided Bolshevik leadership.


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