Isn't there a problem going from narrowest to broader regarding sorting? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Ruth Cuadra <RCuadra at getty.edu> wrote:
> David, > > Here is a reply to your question from Patricia Harpring, Managing Editor, > Getty Vocabulary Program. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > David, > > You ask a good question. At the Getty Vocabulary Program, we recommend > that you concatenate a recommended Label to identify the place. > In brief, the label that is probably most useful to you comprises these > elements: > the English preferred name (if any) of the target place (if none, default > to overall record-preferred name), > then in parens the parents in ascending order to the level of Nation, > using for each parent the flagged Display name if any; if none, the English > preferred name; if none, default to overall record-preferred name), and so > on for each parent to level of Nation (i.e., to the place type = 81002 > "primary political unit" as place type #2). If no parent is a primary > political unit, go to level of continent. Close parens. > Then include the preferred place type for the target place in parens. > Include subject_id of the target place. > Like this: In this example, the city Orvieto has no English name, so you > use the record-preferred name. For parents, "Terni province" is an example > of using a display name for its record, and "Italy" is an example of using > the preferred English name its record when displayed in horizontal Label > displays. > > Orvieto (Terni province, Umbria, Italy) (inhabited place) [7005124] > > > The topic is discussed in a few places on our Web site, including the > links below. I hope that helps. Note the discussion of special display > names that are flagged to accommodate horizontal displays of parents. > > On a related topic: As I presented at a few conferences this summer, we > are investigating the possibility of developing URIs for the Getty > vocabularies. Although we are not certain this will happen, many of us here > are optimistic. We will announce progress on this front when it is resolved. > > Sincerely, > > Patricia > > Patricia Harpring, PhD > Managing Editor, Getty Vocabulary Program > pharpring at getty.edu > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Labels for geographic places are succinctly described here: > > http://www.getty.edu/research/publications/electronic_publications/cdwa/30place.html#label > Including examples; [I've added the TGN subject_ids here, which are > missing because CDWA is speaking of labels in general, not of TGN > specifically] > > - Orvieto (Terni province, Umbria, Italy) (inhabited place) [7005124] > - Oldenburg (Franklin county, Indiana, United States) (inhabited place) > [7013833] > - Galatia (Turkey) (general region) [7016662] > - Republic of Ireland (nation) [1000078] > - Cyprus (Asia) (island) [1006894] > - Belgica Prima (Gallia Belgica, Gaul) (former administrative division) > [7030321] > > Labels for various purposes > Labels with the inverted form of the preferred name followed by parents > and place type are suited for alphabetical lists; note that only names of > physical features will generally be inverted, as discussed in > PLACE/LOCATION AUTHORITY - PLACE NAME. > - Arrowsmith, Mount (Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada) > (mountain) [1103769] > - Erie, Lake (North and Central America) (lake) [7026039] > - Hathala (Northwest Frontier, Pakistan) (inhabited place) [1083488] > - Heicheng (Nei Mongol, China) (deserted settlement) [7001846] > - Los Angeles (California, United States) (inhabited place) [7023900] > - Zama (Siliana government, Tunisia) (lost settlement) [6006668] > > Labels with the natural order form of the preferred name followed by > parents and place type are suited for wall labels, slide labels, and > captions. > - Mount Arrowsmith (Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada) (mountain) > [1103769] > - Lake Erie (North and Central America) (lake) [7026039] > - Hathala (Northwest Frontier, Pakistan) (inhabited place) [1083488] > - Heicheng (Nei Mongol, China) (deserted settlement) [7001846] > - Los Angeles (California, United States) (inhabited place) [7023900] > - Zama (Siliana government, Tunisia) (lost settlement) [6006668] > > Labels with the parents in descending order (as opposed to ascending > order, illustrated in above examples), may be used for lists where results > need to sort by parent; for example, all the places in one nation or state > will sort together. > Orl?ans .......... (inhabited place) > (World, Europe, France, Centre region, Loiret) [7008337] > > Orl?ans .......... (inhabited place) > (World, North and Central America, Canada, Ontario) [1014994] > > Orleans .......... (inhabited place) > (World, North and Central America, United States, California, Humboldt > county) [2013138] > > Orleans .......... (inhabited place) > (World, North and Central America, United States, Illinois, Morgan > county) [2029517] > > Orleans .......... (inhabited place) > (World, North and Central America, United States, Indiana, Orange county) > [2033199] > > Orleans .......... (inhabited place) > (World, North and Central America, United States, Iowa, Appanoose county) > [2560830] > > Orleans .......... (inhabited place) > (World, North and Central America, United States, Iowa, Dickinson county) > [2035393] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/tgn/about.html#info > > Label > Brief text identification of the place, concatenated from the preferred > Name, parent string, and preferred Place Type. Whereas the Subject ID > identifies the place in the database, the Label serves as an easily legible > heading to identify the place for end-users. In the TGN Online display (an > entry in a results list display is illustrated below), the Label is > displayed with the hierarchy icon (to the left of the Label) in order to > permit the end-user to go to the hierarchy to browse for places. > > > Example > > > > Note that the above Label illustrates the parent string in descending > order, which is useful to allow sorting among homographs in results lists. > For other displays, it will be more user-friendly to display the parents in > ascending order. > > > >>> On 9/17/2012 at 12:12 PM, in message < > 50573DEB020000C200036CB9 at hne101.historicnewengland.org>, < > ddwiggins at historicnewengland.org> wrote: > > We use the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names for coding place names in > our museum and archival cataloguing systems. We're currently struggling > with the best way to display and make these terms searchable in our online > database. > > Currently we're just displaying the term itself, which is flawed, because > just seeing "Springfield" or "Florence" doesn't give the user enough > information to figure out where something was really made. > > But we're finding that the number of variant place types in TGN makes it > hard to figure out a concise way of indiciating a more detailed place name > that will work consistently across all entries in the thesaurus. > > For example, the full hierarchy for Florence (the one in Italy) is > > Florence (inhabited place), Firenze (province), Tuscany (region), Italy > (nation), Europe (continent), World (facet) > > Neigborhoods and other local subdivisions can be even more of a mouthfull: > > Notting Hill (neighborhood), Kensington and Chelsea (borough), London > (inhabited place), Greater London (metropolitan area), England (country), > United Kindom (nation), Europe (continent), World (facet) > > Ideally I'd probably like to show the above as "Florence, Italy" and > "Notting Hill, London, England" > > But I'm having trouble coming up with an algorithm that can consistently > spit these out in the form we'd want to display given the data available in > TGN. > > Would welcome any ideas or feedback on this. > > Thanks, > > David > > > __________ > > David Dwiggins > Systems Librarian/Archivist, Historic New England > 141 Cambridge Street, Boston, MA 02114 > (617) 994-5948 > ddwiggins at historicnewengland.org > http://www.historicnewengland.org > _______________________________________________ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer > Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://mcn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > The MCN-L archives can be found at: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >
