On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Tony Thomas <01tonytho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Great to know. I am looking forward at a team to whom volunteer devs can
> ask to review their patchsets to mediawiki-core and its extensions without
> an indefinite ETA! (probably I read the team goals wrong).
>

We will try to be much more aggressive about patch review too, yes. :)

-- brion



>
> Thanks,
> Tony Thomas <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > We'll be primarily working on things for Wikimedia -- that's what people
> > donate to WMF to support -- but part of what we want to do is to provide
> a
> > clearer development roadmap which we expect to be helpful to third-party
> > users, and clearer points of contact for getting things done.
> >
> >
> > At this time there are no plans I'm aware of for providing explicit
> > third-party support contracting from within WMF (as in, paying people to
> > provide custom installation support, custom development, prioritization
> of
> > custom bug fixes, or explicitly lobbying to get particular custom
> > development or ideas merged into core that aren't focused on Wikimedia
> > needs). I think this would be great to do, but it's just not on the table
> > for now.
> >
> > I would strongly encourage any interested and enterprising people who
> might
> > wish to perform such work to organize themselves to provide such custom
> > services directly to people who need them and work with us on that
> roadmap
> > & future core development.
> >
> > -- brion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Jasmine Smith <jassmit...@outlook.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Out of interest, will this 'platform team' only work to serve Wikimedia
> > or
> > > the wider MediaWiki user community?
> > >
> > > One of my vices with the WMF/mediawiki is that development is to
> benefit
> > > the WMF.
> > >
> > > The WMF uses a number of extensions which are highly sought after by
> > those
> > > wanting to set up their own wikis (SecurePoll, CentralAuth, Site
> Matrix,
> > > etc) but  provides no support for them, says they are only for WMF but
> > > released anyway, and unless you know PHP, those extensions are locked
> > off.
> > >
> > > I don't feel like the WMFs goal to openly share knowledge applies in
> > these
> > > cases, and development of MediaWiki isn't to support the wider
> community
> > of
> > > users.
> > >
> > > > On 3 Apr 2017, at 02:16 pm, "Chad" <innocentkil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 12:35 AM Jeroen De Dauw <
> jeroended...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This makes it sound like the MediaWiki codebase is pretty well
> > designed.
> > > >> That is in stark contrast to my view, which is that it is a typical
> > big
> > > >> ball of mud with serious pervasive issues too numerous to list. So
> I'm
> > > >> curious how you arrived at your view.
> > > > As opposed to Wikibase, which is a collection of well-designed
> > components
> > > > which nobody (outside of its development team) knows how they are
> held
> > > > together to form a cohesive product. My guess has always been magic
> > > and/or
> > > > prayers.
> > > >
> > > > Something something glass houses & stones.
> > > >
> > > > -Chad
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