Hi y'all - yes I sent you off in the wrong direction as I thought Michael's post was biblical - "I am that I am." Nevertheless, you were the One who started the capitalization which caused confusion. I didn't think Michael would quote Descartes as he knows my motto "Imbibo ergo sum"
On Sep 2, 1:05 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I won't ask.... > > On Sep 1, 10:00 pm, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 1, 8:49 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway, I wonder how those words can refer to a god? Strange. > > > For those who need gods "I AM" can accomodate them. However, those who > > do not resist "I AM" do not make "I AM" into a god or God. The don't > > need God or gods and godesses. If they have any gods or such it is for > > entertainment purposes only, or to manipluate others who need God or > > gods and godesses. > > > On Sep 1, 8:49 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > “…In the absence of this, I can reveal that my consciousness is a > > > software > > > program running in my brain….” – Clog > > > > Of course, consciousness is neither software nor a program. And, its > > > exact location let alone nature has never been found. > > > > “…I adjust the program regularly by adding and discarding relevant > > > nodes and changing pathways….” – Clog > > > > Again, not software. Further, who/what is this “I” you mention? And, > > > this notion of ‘self’, as yet undefined, nor the location of which > > > known, would require a very big leap of faith (including many gaps) to > > > posit that ‘it’ can produce direction/adjustment as you suggest. Of > > > course, due to the previous, it has not been proven as a mechanism > > > either, let alone it’s locality. > > > > “…It can be fun. I haven't figured out what color it is yet - that > > > seems to vary with the wavelength of the particle beam and the mood > > > I'm in. When I'm thinking of Michael it turns rather dark, but Liz > > > brightens it considerably….” – Clog > > > > Hehe…analogies analogies! > > > > “…I think Michael's "I AM" is either referring to Popeye the sailor > > > man, or a god.” – Clog > > > > Interesting. While I know Popeye, Popeye was a friend of mine, and you > > > my dear Clog…..;-) > > > Anyway, I wonder how those words can refer to a god? Strange. > > > > On Sep 1, 6:36 pm, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi y'all - it seems out of character for you to make such a sweeping > > > > generalization. However, if you would specify which little toe and > > > > belonging to whom, I may be able to totally rebut your claim. In the > > > > absence of this, I can reveal that my consciousness is a software > > > > program running in my brain. I adjust the program regularly by adding > > > > and discarding relevant nodes and changing pathways. It can be fun. I > > > > haven't figured out what color it is yet - that seems to vary with the > > > > wavelength of the particle beam and the mood I'm in. When I'm thinking > > > > of Michael it turns rather dark, but Liz brightens it considerably. > > > > I think Michael's "I AM" is either referring to Popeye the sailor man, > > > > or a god. > > > > > On Sep 1, 8:19 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > An analogy about aspects of the list...IF I said that consciousness > > > > > resided in the little toe and was yellow, would anyone agree? > > > > > > On Sep 1, 6:17 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > "... "Na na na na na NAH!" " - Liz > > > > > > > Perhaps I miss the association with the above; however, IF it merely > > > > > > means 'No.', then I would ask for clarification to support that > > > > > > response. > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 6:15 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > "it says more of your view of any such notion than mine." > > > > > > > > I suspected someone would say that, but to that I say, "Na na > > > > > > > na na na > > > > > > > NAH!" > > > > > > > > Liz :-) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:12 PM > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > Subject: Re: The Future for a non secular State. > > > > > > > > Hi Liz! Very nice list. > > > > > > > Of course, as humorous as it is, it says more of your view of any > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > notion than mine. IF it is taken seriously in any way, it merely > > > > > > > points towards some sort of anthropomorphic beith/thing. > > > > > > > In answer to your 20th question which others have pointed towards, > > > > > > > There is much written about The One by > > > > > > > Plotinus.http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinus.htm > > > > > > > IF anyone is interested in reading more than a website, I have > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > that Plotinus', The Enneads, tr. Stephen MacKenna, with > > > > > > > Introduction > > > > > > > and Notes by John Dillon (Penguin Books: 1991) is the best > > > > > > > translation > > > > > > > to date and can at least point towards his apprehensions. > > > > > > > For me, in the current context, I would point more towards > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > theology. Of course, by its very nature, no description is valid. > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > of course, this is known by all atheists. > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 11:34 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, > > > > > > > > > 1. Is the One blue? > > > > > > > > 2. Does it eat popcorn? > > > > > > > > 3. Can the One create fjords? > > > > > > > > 4. Does the One like butter and syrup or jelly on its waffles? > > > > > > > > 5. Does the One fly on a rocket ship and expect devotees to > > > > > > > > castrate > > > > > > > > themselves and commit suicide to catch a ride? > > > > > > > > 6. Can he/she/it make balloon animals (I like balloon animals.)? > > > > > > > > 7. Can the One help me on a Spanish test? > > > > > > > > 8. Does the One care if George sleeps with Bob? > > > > > > > > 9. Does the One watch Letterman or Leno? > > > > > > > > 10. Does the One create anything (besides fjords if question > > > > > > > > three is > > > > > > > > answered affirmatively.)? > > > > > > > > 11. Does the One destroy anything? > > > > > > > > 12. Does the One look like anything humans have seen? > > > > > > > > 13. Is the One really two or more? > > > > > > > > 14. Can one pray or otherwise ask favors of the One without > > > > > > > > looking silly? > > > > > > > > 15. If the One could or does it, would it be more likely to eat > > > > > > > > fried > > > > > > > > chicken or sushi? > > > > > > > > 16. Would the One vote Republican or Democrat (or Libertarian > > > > > > > > or what?)? > > > > > > > > 17. Does the One like amputees? > > > > > > > > 18. Does the One like cats or dogs (not to eat, but to pet)? > > > > > > > > 19. How many Ones does it take to screw in a light bulb? > > > > > > > > 20. Is the One describable in any way other than in cryptic > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > responses > > > > > > > > that grant no understanding of the concept of the One? > > > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 1:06 PM > > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: The Future for a non secular State. > > > > > > > > > "...Skip that questions! New first question: Is "I AM" related > > > > > > > > to or > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same as "the One"?" - michael > > > > > > > > > I have no idea michael. Sorry.... > > > > > > > > I do not understand whatever associations you appear to be > > > > > > > > using. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 9:17 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 1:41 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And, as I clearly said, I have no belief(s) in gods. Thus, > > > > > > > > > > I AM an > > > > > > > > > > atheist. > > > > > > > > > > Orn, I'd like to play a game of 20 questions. > > > > > > > > > > First question: Is "the One" that you refer to, bigger than a > > > > > > > > > breadbox? > > > > > > > > > > Skip that questions! New first question: Is "I AM" related to > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > same as "the One"? > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 1:41 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "You have a belief that "the One" exists, which sounds like > > > > > > > > > > theism to > > > > > > > > > > me." - Taylor > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Taylor! > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you missed it where I said "...what may appear to > > > > > > > > > > be semantics > > > > > > > > > > and for me at least is a simple clarity..."? > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless, we can debate this forever. > > > > > > > > > > > I am in no way evangelical. > > > > > > > > > > > You have made a claim about what I believe. I will not > > > > > > > > > > strongly point > > > > > > > > > > out what could be seen as your claim to omniscience! Nor > > > > > > > > > > will I play > > > > > > > > > > the game of demanding that you prove your claim. > > > > > > > > > > > And, as I clearly said, I have no belief(s) in gods. Thus, > > > > > > > > > > I AM an > > > > > > > > > > atheist. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 8:32 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > <<I hold no dogma/beliefs about the One. Since there are > > > > > > > > > > > no beliefs, > > > > > > > > > > > there is no theism.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a belief that "the One" exists, which sounds > > > > > > > > > > > like theism to > > > > > > > > > > > me.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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