“Orn. I am not clear. Who are you and what are you putting foreward?” - Stem > Even if one posits that the moment of conception > is when the "consciousness" (soul) enters the body one must then > realize that it is a scientific question. – Stem also "First I'll agree when science has the tools to address soul or other such notions." - orn
Well Stem, I’m not clear about your questions either nor am I meaning to be obtuse here either. I’ll guess as to what you are asking and you can correct me if I am wrong OK? I’m guessing you are asking about my words above that you included in your post. That said, most of my words in this thread follow from a short aside I made about when consciousness enters the body according to some Buddhist sects. I do know that most of the focus here is on antitheology and antichristiandom in particular which is fine. I find most of such believers troublesome at best. I merely added something I learned from some Tibetan Buddhists to the mix because I thought it was interesting. This even though the context here was your link and comments about embryos and fetuses. Next Taylor brought up soul. The underlying and rather tacit topic here is abortion. Yes? At least for the fundies. Since you asked about me, I’ll comment about this too. Over the years I’ve had different positions about abortion. I think I’ve even posted to this group about it in the past. Currently, I feel that abortion is killing and that it should remain legal. Please do not question what appears to be a contradiction here…like do I think that killing should be legal. I’m aware of how this appears. However, your question addresses my comment about consciousness/soul and perhaps science, I guess. Again, I’m retelling what was told to me by some Buddhist friends. In a rather simplistic overview and using symbols, they see that the eternal continuum – consciousness – enters the ‘body’ at the moment of conception. This is when the red gem/drop and the white gem/drop unite …it is at that moment that the blue gem/ drop enters this realm and joins the red and blue. The iconography is well known. The existence of this particular cosmology itself can not be questioned. If one wishes to say it does not match their own view(s) of reality, this is fine and I’d even hasten a guess that most Buddhists would agree with the use of such skepticism. Continuing… “I like your thoughts....somewhat. I am not arguing, nor will I get into argument about, that science has further to go to reach a science of the soul.. Zeus does not throw lighting bolts. It is non- existent....like Zeus...god...reincarnation, etc. When I said that it is a science question, I was referring to the science of development. In other words, Zeus does not throw lighting bolts.” - Slip I can see you are trying to clarify what you meant and, unfortunately, I still don’t grok. I’m ignorant about what you mean by ‘science of development’. I just googled it and guess you mean the science of child development? If so, I think I can guess what you mean. Are you saying that consciousness can not enter at the single and/or double cell level because the brain has not yet developed? If so, I do understand your stance and do not deny your logic. You continue with some comment about a Greek god. So, I’ll guess that your meaning there is that, in your view, science does not nor ever will address such things as soul (consciousness/reincarnation?) because you don’t believe they exist. If I’m not getting your meaning here, I apologize. And, I can only guess that you understood my meaning that science does not address these things at all as well as my view that it doesn’t because they are not within the purview of science which is slightly different from your reason. Either way, we both agree that scientific inquiry on the whole does not address such things today. . . I hope! I almost hesitated to go into it this much because of my not being clear about what you were asking. I hope that at the very least I haven’t confused things further. On Sep 22, 9:12 pm, stem cell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Orn. I am not clear. Who are you and what are you putting > foreward? > > > Even if one posits that the moment of conception > > is when the "consciousness" (soul) enters the body one must then > > realize that it is a scientific question. > > "First I'll agree when science has the tools to address soul or other > such notions." > > I like your thoughts....somewhat. I am not arguing, nor will I get > into argument about, that science has further to go to reach a science > of the soul.. Zeus does not throw lighting bolts. It is non- > existent....like Zeus...god...reincarnation, etc. > > When I said that it is a science question, I was referring to the > science of development. In other words, Zeus does not throw lighting > bolts. > > On Sep 22, 5:34 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, you are not interested in such imaginary things as the > > 'irrational', are you? (…other than as a means to hone debate > > techniques.) If I misread you, please advise. > > In general, I don't discuss things that specific people reject with > > them. An analogy would be to attempt a serious debate with a > > fundamentalist Christian about the true age of the earth. Most times > > the result is just further entrenchment into an already crystalized > > belief system. > > > On Sep 22, 3:28 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > <<Yes, these are all common memes of the day and no new news at all. > > > > And dodges a defense of the irrationality. (as usual)- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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