It's not really a new phenomenon. The Nuer of east Africa have "woman marriage." One woman becomes the "husband" and assumes the male role in the household. She is even known as the "father" of children born into the union. She may also take more than one wife.
This relationship may or may not be based on sexual relations between the couple. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clogtowner Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:10 PM To: Memphis Freethought Alliance Subject: Re: FW: [skeptics-145] My Philosophy Hi y'all - here's my response to your technical difficulty. As we have a realatively new phenomenon, shouldn't we simply have a new name to describe it? Otherwise we are left with the traditional. "Hi, I'm Mrs. Smith-Jones and this is my wife Mrs. Smith-Jones." On Oct 13, 10:42 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Liz > Purkrabek > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [skeptics-145] My Philosophy > > Many gay couples feel the symbolic nature of the word "marriage" would be > validating. I think many gay couples wouldn't care what you call their > relationships except that marriage has become a symbol of acceptance and > legitimacy for the gay community. If by calling gay unions "marriages" it > soothes the hearts and minds of millions of people all over the world, I'm > for it. > > If calling gay unions "marriages" helps to heal the thousands of years of > cruelty, fear, and ignorance that have been heaped on gays, I'm for it. > > Liz > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Clogtowner > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [skeptics-145] My Philosophy > > Hi y'all - I agree. Marriage is simply a contract which gives some security > and legality to a relationship. It's traditional (western) purpose has been > to create an environment for reproduction and nurture. I don't say that this > is the only method, but it is one I like and has worked for me. A gay > relationship doesn't have the purpose of reproduction therefore it should > have a different name. By all means give legal lifetime partnership rights > to it. > Here's an analogy to illustrate my point. Two machines produce electrictiy. > One produces direct current and is called a generator. One produces > alternating current and is called an alternator. The main purpose is very > similar but with one difference hence the different name. I say no more than > that. > Please spank me. > > S. > Imbibo ergo sum. > > _____ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [skeptics-145] My Philosophy > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:20:59 -0400 > > Quickly, marriage didn't evolve in the way of biological evolution. Humans > have common feelings and urges, but marriage is defined in so many different > ways cross culturally, that you can't define it as needing to be between a > man and a woman or a man and a man, etc. Marriage is not even necessary in > all cultures. There are some that have no marriage whatsoever and that > lifestyle was a successful adaptation. > > Marriage is made of culturally arbitrary rules when it does exist, and > there is no reason why gay marriages would not necessarily turn out to be > the next successful cultural adaptation. I'm not saying it's likely, but as > with biological evolution, it is nearly impossible to determine what kind of > cultural adaptation will prove to be the most successful. > > Liz > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Clogtowner > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [skeptics-145] My Philosophy > > Hi y'all - I'll reply to the Buddhism post when I've had the time to digest > it. > On the question of gay marriage, for me it is simply a question of semantics > and not separate but equal. I believe that natural evolution over milleniae > has arrived at the present biologically efficient method of reproduction and > nurture. We call it marriage and that's why I married. Admittedly some > couples marry with no desire or even ability to reproduce - they should have > the right to a civil union or a marriage. > I believe a civil union is the right method of lifetime partnership for gays > as it doesn't have the same purpose as marriage, and is therefore different. > It should have all the rights granted to a marriage except those pertaining > to childbirth. > For me the jury is still out on gays creating families by adopting children > - I need far more information before I can decide whether children in gay > families grow up to be well balanced adults in the same proportions as the > rest of the community. If it turns out that they do, then I may well change > my view. > Jason has quoted one paper on the subject but I'm afraid that is not enough. > > Some of my best friends have been, and are, gay. I have never met an adopted > child with a gay family upbringing. > Obviously, if gay marriage becomes the prime choice, humanity is doomed > without artificial evolution. > > S. > Imbibo ergo sum. > > _____ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [skeptics-145] My Philosophy > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:10:20 -0400 > > Hi Steve, > > While it is biologically true that gay couples cannot procreate, many > straight couples have also found they are unable to do so. Since marriage > is a contract of sorts with religious overtones, it seems to me that it > should be enforced and allowed without prejudice. Civil Unions, while > seeming to provide all the contractual benefits of marriage, still creates a > kind of lesser contract, similar I think to the so-called "separate but > equal" schools during segregation. It is only when the prejudicial aspects > of that system we removed that the underlying prejudice could be seen. The > schools were separate, but they were never equal. The idea of civil unions > promotes the desire of those who wish to stigmatize homosexuality- for it to > remain separate from a "normal" lifestyle. While it is preferable to gay > couples having no rights, it's like giving someone partial rights. I say > let people who wish to marry, regardless of the sexual orientation, do so. > As long as I was separated from black people, I could never really know them > or empathize with them. Since I was married to a black woman for 24 years > and have always had black friends, I no longer think of them with the > prejudice I was brought up with. It seems to me that those who oppose gay > marriage probably have few gay acquaintances or friends and thus do not > relate to them in an empathetic manner. > > Once restrictions on gay marriage are removed, society doesn't fall apart. > That's been proven time and again. > > Rick S > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Clogtowner > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:21 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [skeptics-145] My Philosophy > > Hi y'all - this comes close to my philosophy - anyone agree, or want to kick > the crap out of me?http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/nyregion/12marriage.html?em > S. > Imbibo ergo sum. > > _____ > > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the > go. 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