Here is an angle I found that will flip the stats on their behind a(for Sweden at least) I cannot find the others as yet......AND the current rate of immigrants has not decreased.. this year alone is 15,000 +/- very few. So, this means...
<<<A total of 707 cases of violent death (suicide, undetermined mode or accident) occurring in 1990 were investigated at the Department of Forensic Medicine in Stockholm. The catchment area of the Department includes about 1.9 million people. Fourteen percent of the population in the area are immigrants. The largest single immigrant group was the 91,015 Finnish-born inhabitants, who represented 33% of the overall immigrant population. Thirty percent of all undetermined deaths and 20% of the suicides were among people born outside Sweden. A significant overrepresentation of the largest immigrant group (Finnish- born) was found in both the definite and undetermined suicide categories. There was also an overall overrepresentation of immigrants among the undetermined cases and a trend towards overrepresentation among definite suicides. Also, there was a significant overall overrepresentation of immigrants in the total cases of undetermined and definite suicide. Some psychosocial factors found predominant among the immigrant sample were social isolation, low social class and poor social network. The findings in this study indicates that immigrant status should be considered as a risk factor for suicide in Sweden. Previous reports on the high suicide rates among immigrants in Australia, Canada, Great Britain and the United States suggest that the overrepresentation of immigrants found in our study could represent a worldwide epidemiological trend related to voluntary and forced migration. Possible hypotheses that could explain this phenomenon are discussed.>>> did not specify religion or lack thereof and you need table after table to get clarity. On Oct 23, 12:03 pm, "CrossBow CrossBow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow! did you see the split on poison and hanging for women too? that was > amazing! I thought it would be higher for poisoning. It seemed pretty high > for firearms for the men too. > > What's the psychology behind hanging vs. firearms vs. poison? could > Hanging be a display created to cause remorse? it is tidier than shooting > yourself? Is effective poison harder to get? Poison is never assured and you > might be comatose or vegetable puree...same with gunshots. Hanging does > snap your neck and it might have a higher statistic of success in assuring > you die. Nasty speculations, but I don't see lack or prescensce of God in > there anywhere. Bet if you really had decent research it would show more > religious suicides than heathens per human volume! You would have to have > accurate data on atheism and you will not get that from society today...too > many people lie about it. > > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi y'all - here's an interesting Norwegian suicide table. It seems as > > though they like hanging around over there. > > >http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/03/01/10/dodsarsak_en/tab-2008-06-... > > > On Oct 23, 10:06 am, "CrossBow CrossBow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Wonder what the data is on they type of suicide? anyone find that tidbit > > > published? Is it drug related or firearms? or what? At least we know they > > > are not worried about burning in Dante's Inferno because it dose not > > exist > > > for them. Anyone know a Norwegian we can ask? > > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi y'all - Norway, which is normally the most quoted god free nation, > > > > seems to have less than average suicide rates amongst Scandinavian > > > > countries : > > > >http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/ > > > > Skimming through the figures, I was beginning to think that it may be > > > > a function of light and latitude, but then I saw that Australia has a > > > > higher rate (they are upside down and a bunch of convicts.) I suppose > > > > the fact that Norwegians generally have no belief in a god gives them > > > > the freedom, without scruple, to take their own life as they see fit. > > > > I'm sure there are many factors involved but, from the above figures, > > > > Norway does not stand out as a hive of suiciders. Perhaps it is the > > > > abundance of Norwegian Blue Parrots inhabiting the fiords that > > > > stresses out the population in the area. > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:07 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I don't know about the D deficiency, although D deficiency is being > > > > studied > > > > > in relation to other illnesses such as M.S. Southerners have a > > slightly > > > > > lower risk of developing M.S., and I don't think it matters where you > > > > were > > > > > born originally. > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9316607Pubmednote > > >http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/12/19/vitamin.d.ms/index.html > > > > CNN > > > > > > That's interesting about the relatively narrow distribution of > > suicide in > > > > > Scandinavia. I'll have to read more about the issue if I get the > > time. > > > > I'd > > > > > like to see how the suicides in the surrounding areas measure up. > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > CrossBow > > > > > CrossBow > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:11 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: Imagine a land where presidents don't sprinkle holy > > water on > > > > > wars, citizens have good healthcare and governments care about the > > > > > environment. > > > > > > vitamin D deficiency then? they need to mutate so they can survive or > > > > chug > > > > > vitamins. That would be a consideration, but the problem has settle > > in a > > > > > particular age range according to the research, younger 25-40 year > > olds > > > > are > > > > > the highest (my numbers may be off just a little). Maybe there will > > be > > > > > better research soon since it has drawn attention. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Liz Purkrabek < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I thought the suicide rates could be blamed on the less intense > > sunlight > > > > to > > > > > the area. Humans, like many animals are affected by decreased > > sunlight. > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > CrossBow > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:44 PM > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > Subject: Imagine a land where presidents don't sprinkle holy water on > > > > wars, > > > > > citizens have good healthcare and governments care about the > > environment. > > > > > > this may have been discussed before here on this platform, but humor > > > > > me - How did Scandinavia get to such a secular society? How do you > > > > > fill the vacuum religion leaves behind when it is plucked out like > > the > > > > > outdated evolutionary tool that it is? what can we replace religous > > > > > structure with? Groups like this work well. But, why the high > > suicide > > > > > rate in such a secular region? what can prevent it? where are the > > > > > suicide rates coming from? a statistically reliable source? OR, did > > > > > someone conveniently skew them? > > >http://www.salon.com/books/review/2008/10/22/zuckerman/?source=newsle... > > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > > > > ````````````````````````````````````````` > > > > > "The notion that religious belief is childish, that earnest prayer is > > > > > something that only children engage in, and that faith in God is just > > > > > something that one dabbles with in childhood, but eventually grows > > out > > > > > of as one becomes a mature adult, would strike most Americans as > > > > > offensive," writes Zuckerman (from the book "Society Without God") > > > > > "But for millions of Scandinavians, that's just the way it is." > > > > > > BUT IT ALSO MENTIONS: > > > > > > Zuckerman isn't quite so eager to bring up the dark undercurrents of > > > > > Scandinavian life: dismal weather, a heavy tax burden, low fertility, > > > > > high alcoholism, a suicide rate twice that of America. > > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > > > > ````````````````````````````````````````- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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