Hi y'all - Oh no, I'm a high risk. I can well understand the leaning
toward suicide of immigrants who don't fit in. I researched this
country before I came here voluntarily. I went back to my birthplace
with a huge axe and chopped up my roots. They are now firmly planted
here. I've even adopted a redneck accent and you will have noticed the
introduction to all my posts. I believe the onus is on the immigrant
to fit in. Most of the groups here are immigrants - if not from
overseas - certainly from other States. Who wants to jump off the big
M into the Mississippi?

On Oct 23, 12:35 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is an angle I found that will flip the stats on their behind
> a(for Sweden at least) I cannot find the others as yet......AND the
> current rate of immigrants has not decreased.. this year alone is
> 15,000 +/- very few.  So, this means...
>
> <<<A total of 707 cases of violent death (suicide, undetermined mode
> or accident) occurring in 1990 were investigated at the Department of
> Forensic Medicine in Stockholm. The catchment area of the Department
> includes about 1.9 million people. Fourteen percent of the population
> in the area are immigrants. The largest single immigrant group was the
> 91,015 Finnish-born inhabitants, who represented 33% of the overall
> immigrant population. Thirty percent of all undetermined deaths and
> 20% of the suicides were among people born outside Sweden. A
> significant overrepresentation of the largest immigrant group (Finnish-
> born) was found in both the definite and undetermined suicide
> categories. There was also an overall overrepresentation of immigrants
> among the undetermined cases and a trend towards overrepresentation
> among definite suicides. Also, there was a significant overall
> overrepresentation of immigrants in the total cases of undetermined
> and definite suicide. Some psychosocial factors found predominant
> among the immigrant sample were social isolation, low social class and
> poor social network. The findings in this study indicates that
> immigrant status should be considered as a risk factor for suicide in
> Sweden. Previous reports on the high suicide rates among immigrants in
> Australia, Canada, Great Britain and the United States suggest that
> the overrepresentation of immigrants found in our study could
> represent a worldwide epidemiological trend related to voluntary and
> forced migration. Possible hypotheses that could explain this
> phenomenon are discussed.>>>
>
> did not specify religion or lack thereof and you need table after
> table to get clarity.
>
> On Oct 23, 12:03 pm, "CrossBow CrossBow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wow! did you see the split on poison and hanging for women too? that was
> > amazing! I thought it would be higher for poisoning.  It seemed pretty high
> > for firearms for the men too.
>
> > What's the psychology behind hanging vs. firearms vs. poison? could
> > Hanging be a display created to cause remorse? it is tidier than shooting
> > yourself? Is effective poison harder to get? Poison is never assured and you
> > might be comatose or vegetable puree...same with gunshots.  Hanging does
> > snap your neck and it might have a higher statistic of success in assuring
> > you die.  Nasty speculations, but I don't see lack or prescensce of God in
> > there anywhere.  Bet if you really had decent research it would show more
> > religious suicides than heathens per human volume!  You would have to have
> > accurate data on atheism and you will not get that from society today...too
> > many people lie about it.
>
> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi y'all - here's an interesting Norwegian suicide table. It seems as
> > > though they like hanging around over there.
>
> > >http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/03/01/10/dodsarsak_en/tab-2008-06-...
>
> > > On Oct 23, 10:06 am, "CrossBow CrossBow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Wonder what the data is on they type of suicide? anyone find that tidbit
> > > > published? Is it drug related or firearms? or what? At least we know 
> > > > they
> > > > are not worried about burning in Dante's Inferno because it dose not
> > > exist
> > > > for them. Anyone know a Norwegian we can ask?
>
> > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi y'all - Norway, which is normally the most quoted god free nation,
> > > > > seems to have less than average suicide rates amongst Scandinavian
> > > > > countries :
> > > > >http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/
> > > > > Skimming through the figures, I was beginning to think that it may be
> > > > > a function of light and latitude, but then I saw that Australia has a
> > > > > higher rate (they are upside down and a bunch of convicts.) I suppose
> > > > > the fact that Norwegians generally have no belief in a god gives them
> > > > > the freedom, without scruple, to take their own life as they see fit.
> > > > > I'm sure there are many factors involved but, from the above figures,
> > > > > Norway does not stand out as a hive of suiciders. Perhaps it is the
> > > > > abundance of Norwegian Blue Parrots inhabiting the fiords that
> > > > > stresses out the population in the area.
>
> > > > > On Oct 22, 5:07 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > I don't know about the D deficiency, although D deficiency is being
> > > > > studied
> > > > > > in relation to other illnesses such as M.S.  Southerners have a
> > > slightly
> > > > > > lower risk of developing M.S., and I don't think it matters where 
> > > > > > you
> > > > > were
> > > > > > born originally.
>
> > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9316607Pubmednote
>
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/12/19/vitamin.d.ms/index.html
> > > > >  CNN
>
> > > > > > That's interesting about the relatively narrow distribution of
> > > suicide in
> > > > > > Scandinavia.  I'll have to read more about the issue if I get the
> > > time.
> > > > >  I'd
> > > > > > like to see how the suicides in the surrounding areas measure up.
>
> > > > > > Liz
>
> > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > > CrossBow
> > > > > > CrossBow
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:11 PM
> > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Imagine a land where presidents don't sprinkle holy
> > > water on
> > > > > > wars, citizens have good healthcare and governments care about the
> > > > > > environment.
>
> > > > > > vitamin D deficiency then? they need to mutate so they can survive 
> > > > > > or
> > > > > chug
> > > > > > vitamins.  That would be a consideration, but the problem has settle
> > > in a
> > > > > > particular age range according to the research, younger 25-40 year
> > > olds
> > > > > are
> > > > > > the highest (my numbers may be off just a little).  Maybe there will
> > > be
> > > > > > better research soon since it has drawn attention.
>
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Liz Purkrabek <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > I thought the suicide rates could be blamed on the less intense
> > > sunlight
> > > > > to
> > > > > > the area.  Humans, like many animals are affected by decreased
> > > sunlight.
>
> > > > > > Liz
>
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > > CrossBow
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:44 PM
> > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > Subject: Imagine a land where presidents don't sprinkle holy water 
> > > > > > on
> > > > > wars,
> > > > > > citizens have good healthcare and governments care about the
> > > environment.
>
> > > > > > this may have been discussed before here on this platform, but humor
> > > > > > me - How did Scandinavia get to such a secular society? How do you
> > > > > > fill the vacuum religion leaves behind when it is plucked out like
> > > the
> > > > > > outdated evolutionary tool that it is?  what can we replace religous
> > > > > > structure with? Groups like this work well.  But, why the high
> > > suicide
> > > > > > rate in such a secular region? what can prevent it? where are the
> > > > > > suicide rates coming from? a statistically reliable source? OR, did
> > > > > > someone conveniently skew them?
>
> > >http://www.salon.com/books/review/2008/10/22/zuckerman/?source=newsle...
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> > > > > > "The notion that religious belief is childish, that earnest prayer 
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > something that only children engage in, and that faith in God is 
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > something that one dabbles with in childhood, but eventually grows
> > > out
> > > > > > of as one becomes a mature adult, would strike most Americans as
> > > > > > offensive," writes Zuckerman (from the book "Society Without God")
> > > > > > "But for millions of Scandinavians, that's just the way it is."
>
> > > > > > BUT IT ALSO MENTIONS:
>
> > > > > > Zuckerman isn't quite so eager to bring up the dark undercurrents of
> > > > > > Scandinavian life: dismal weather, a heavy tax burden, low 
> > > > > > fertility,
> > > > > > high alcoholism, a suicide rate twice that of America.
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