Hi y'all - Oh no, I'm a high risk. I can well understand the leaning toward suicide of immigrants who don't fit in. I researched this country before I came here voluntarily. I went back to my birthplace with a huge axe and chopped up my roots. They are now firmly planted here. I've even adopted a redneck accent and you will have noticed the introduction to all my posts. I believe the onus is on the immigrant to fit in. Most of the groups here are immigrants - if not from overseas - certainly from other States. Who wants to jump off the big M into the Mississippi?
On Oct 23, 12:35 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is an angle I found that will flip the stats on their behind > a(for Sweden at least) I cannot find the others as yet......AND the > current rate of immigrants has not decreased.. this year alone is > 15,000 +/- very few. So, this means... > > <<<A total of 707 cases of violent death (suicide, undetermined mode > or accident) occurring in 1990 were investigated at the Department of > Forensic Medicine in Stockholm. The catchment area of the Department > includes about 1.9 million people. Fourteen percent of the population > in the area are immigrants. The largest single immigrant group was the > 91,015 Finnish-born inhabitants, who represented 33% of the overall > immigrant population. Thirty percent of all undetermined deaths and > 20% of the suicides were among people born outside Sweden. A > significant overrepresentation of the largest immigrant group (Finnish- > born) was found in both the definite and undetermined suicide > categories. There was also an overall overrepresentation of immigrants > among the undetermined cases and a trend towards overrepresentation > among definite suicides. Also, there was a significant overall > overrepresentation of immigrants in the total cases of undetermined > and definite suicide. Some psychosocial factors found predominant > among the immigrant sample were social isolation, low social class and > poor social network. The findings in this study indicates that > immigrant status should be considered as a risk factor for suicide in > Sweden. Previous reports on the high suicide rates among immigrants in > Australia, Canada, Great Britain and the United States suggest that > the overrepresentation of immigrants found in our study could > represent a worldwide epidemiological trend related to voluntary and > forced migration. Possible hypotheses that could explain this > phenomenon are discussed.>>> > > did not specify religion or lack thereof and you need table after > table to get clarity. > > On Oct 23, 12:03 pm, "CrossBow CrossBow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Wow! did you see the split on poison and hanging for women too? that was > > amazing! I thought it would be higher for poisoning. It seemed pretty high > > for firearms for the men too. > > > What's the psychology behind hanging vs. firearms vs. poison? could > > Hanging be a display created to cause remorse? it is tidier than shooting > > yourself? Is effective poison harder to get? Poison is never assured and you > > might be comatose or vegetable puree...same with gunshots. Hanging does > > snap your neck and it might have a higher statistic of success in assuring > > you die. Nasty speculations, but I don't see lack or prescensce of God in > > there anywhere. Bet if you really had decent research it would show more > > religious suicides than heathens per human volume! You would have to have > > accurate data on atheism and you will not get that from society today...too > > many people lie about it. > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi y'all - here's an interesting Norwegian suicide table. It seems as > > > though they like hanging around over there. > > > >http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/03/01/10/dodsarsak_en/tab-2008-06-... > > > > On Oct 23, 10:06 am, "CrossBow CrossBow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Wonder what the data is on they type of suicide? anyone find that tidbit > > > > published? Is it drug related or firearms? or what? At least we know > > > > they > > > > are not worried about burning in Dante's Inferno because it dose not > > > exist > > > > for them. Anyone know a Norwegian we can ask? > > > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi y'all - Norway, which is normally the most quoted god free nation, > > > > > seems to have less than average suicide rates amongst Scandinavian > > > > > countries : > > > > >http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/ > > > > > Skimming through the figures, I was beginning to think that it may be > > > > > a function of light and latitude, but then I saw that Australia has a > > > > > higher rate (they are upside down and a bunch of convicts.) I suppose > > > > > the fact that Norwegians generally have no belief in a god gives them > > > > > the freedom, without scruple, to take their own life as they see fit. > > > > > I'm sure there are many factors involved but, from the above figures, > > > > > Norway does not stand out as a hive of suiciders. Perhaps it is the > > > > > abundance of Norwegian Blue Parrots inhabiting the fiords that > > > > > stresses out the population in the area. > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:07 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't know about the D deficiency, although D deficiency is being > > > > > studied > > > > > > in relation to other illnesses such as M.S. Southerners have a > > > slightly > > > > > > lower risk of developing M.S., and I don't think it matters where > > > > > > you > > > > > were > > > > > > born originally. > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9316607Pubmednote > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/12/19/vitamin.d.ms/index.html > > > > > CNN > > > > > > > That's interesting about the relatively narrow distribution of > > > suicide in > > > > > > Scandinavia. I'll have to read more about the issue if I get the > > > time. > > > > > I'd > > > > > > like to see how the suicides in the surrounding areas measure up. > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > CrossBow > > > > > > CrossBow > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:11 PM > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Re: Imagine a land where presidents don't sprinkle holy > > > water on > > > > > > wars, citizens have good healthcare and governments care about the > > > > > > environment. > > > > > > > vitamin D deficiency then? they need to mutate so they can survive > > > > > > or > > > > > chug > > > > > > vitamins. That would be a consideration, but the problem has settle > > > in a > > > > > > particular age range according to the research, younger 25-40 year > > > olds > > > > > are > > > > > > the highest (my numbers may be off just a little). Maybe there will > > > be > > > > > > better research soon since it has drawn attention. > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Liz Purkrabek < > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I thought the suicide rates could be blamed on the less intense > > > sunlight > > > > > to > > > > > > the area. Humans, like many animals are affected by decreased > > > sunlight. > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > CrossBow > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:44 PM > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > Subject: Imagine a land where presidents don't sprinkle holy water > > > > > > on > > > > > wars, > > > > > > citizens have good healthcare and governments care about the > > > environment. > > > > > > > this may have been discussed before here on this platform, but humor > > > > > > me - How did Scandinavia get to such a secular society? How do you > > > > > > fill the vacuum religion leaves behind when it is plucked out like > > > the > > > > > > outdated evolutionary tool that it is? what can we replace religous > > > > > > structure with? Groups like this work well. But, why the high > > > suicide > > > > > > rate in such a secular region? what can prevent it? where are the > > > > > > suicide rates coming from? a statistically reliable source? OR, did > > > > > > someone conveniently skew them? > > > >http://www.salon.com/books/review/2008/10/22/zuckerman/?source=newsle... > > > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > > > > > ````````````````````````````````````````` > > > > > > "The notion that religious belief is childish, that earnest prayer > > > > > > is > > > > > > something that only children engage in, and that faith in God is > > > > > > just > > > > > > something that one dabbles with in childhood, but eventually grows > > > out > > > > > > of as one becomes a mature adult, would strike most Americans as > > > > > > offensive," writes Zuckerman (from the book "Society Without God") > > > > > > "But for millions of Scandinavians, that's just the way it is." > > > > > > > BUT IT ALSO MENTIONS: > > > > > > > Zuckerman isn't quite so eager to bring up the dark undercurrents of > > > > > > Scandinavian life: dismal weather, a heavy tax burden, low > > > > > > fertility, > > > > > > high alcoholism, a suicide rate twice that of America. > > > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > > > > > ````````````````````````````````````````- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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