“…pick a subject and stomp the life out of it until we can see through
every angle…” – CB

In general, while not stomping, I do my best to arrive at clarity and
the ‘truth’ of each and every matter. This even though I know that
analysis and analogy are not the only methods to do so.



On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh really? there you go giving me more credit at obfuscation than I merit.
> I am throwing anything in the pot that I think pertains to the conversation
> as it is a HUGE subject and hard to disect in little spurts and get it
> perfect (at least for me).  If you wish, we can pick a subject and stomp the
> life out of it until we can see through every angle?  Not a bad idea.
>
> of course I smile, all animals bare thier teeth.
>
> no really, if I didn't have humor and lightheartedness in everything I do, I
> would be taking myself way tooo seriously and that would suck.
>
> for real. going... going...gone!
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "So, give me the link if you have the goods." - CB
>
> > Nope, I'll let you enjoy your own search, if it is important to you.
>
> > Same thing for deep sea mapping. (we hadn't discussed waterway mapping
> > until now, had we?) Please reread how I said I didn't know for sure,
> > and my judicious use of the term "IF".
>
> > Your examples now presented are of a different order than what your
> > original claim was based upon. IF you wish to include them into the
> > mix, I won't oppose it. I just find expanding the topic to include
> > other things mostly muddies the original discussion. And, the obvious
> > attempt at using this tactic to nullify my words is troubling, even
> > though you do it with 'a smile'.
>
> > On Nov 4, 1:07 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > So, give me the link if you have the goods.
>
> > >  Also, give me any link on deep sea or waterway mapping that is'nt
> > > Important? mine discovery and difusion, underwater communication cable
> > > installation, the freakin huge tunnel under the sea between Britian and
> > > France, Bridge pylon repair, potential volcanic eruption studies...the
> > list
> > > is huge:)
>
> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:01 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > "... so, how can you blame results from Katrina on old work that was
> > > > state of the art at the time it was implemented? ..." - CB
> > > > I have researched it.
>
> > > > On Nov 4, 12:55 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > before I get to the bottom, please remember the corp of engineers do
> > not
> > > > > have authority to just walk into a town like New Orleans and start
> > > > digging.
> > > > > It has to go through proper channels, meaning government correct? so,
> > how
> > > > > can you blame results from Katrina on old work that was state of the
> > art
> > > > at
> > > > > the time it was implemented?
>
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:49 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > CB, when I used the term cancer, it was an analogy in response to
> > your
> > > > > > (also hyperbolic and comparative as truth) post:
> > > > > > "…I know this little note is a spoof, but in a global society how
> > can
> > > > > > we Not police the planet? that is like letting the guy down the
> > street
> > > > > > corner beat the shit out of his wife and kids in his front yard and
> > > > > > watching without response. Oh, yeah diplomatic
> > > > > > relations...sanctions...." – CB on 10-28
>
> > > > > > Looking at my post in context, I didn't say that I was 'against
> > > > > > anything military'. In general, I accepted the reality of the
> > > > > > situation. "I do not deny that today, yesterday, tomorrow, a year
> > from
> > > > > > now as well as a hundred years ago there were, are and will be
> > those
> > > > > > who wish to do harm to other people including the people currently
> > in
> > > > > > the USA. When this 'truth' is 'solved' by becoming State Terrorists
> > in
> > > > > > a perpetual war, a greater 'truth' arises and that is that 'we'
> > > > > > perpetually are attracting an even greater amount of ire. This
> > 'truth'
> > > > > > has always been known." – Orn – 10-28
>
> > > > > > I do find the Orwelian notion of perpetual war against a method
> > rather
> > > > > > than people for political purposes with obvious and well known
> > results
> > > > > > to be as close to 'sin' as one who does not embrace the notion of
> > sin
> > > > > > can find.
>
> > > > > > Also, my direct observation about the two methods of:
> > > > > > 1. Agreement
> > > > > > 2. Force
> > > > > > …would seem to be reality based in this context too.
>
> > > > > > You continue with a list of organizations including Homeland
> > Security.
> > > > > > Here, since even many within the organization think it was at the
> > very
> > > > > > best ill-conceived, and at the worst an impediment for response, a
> > > > > > bloated and grossly expensive bureaucracy that in fact does nothing
> > > > > > better, same people in functions etc. I question why you even
> > > > > > mentioned it.
>
> > > > > > The Army Corp of Engineers are well known to emulate beavers. They
> > > > > > have built bridges for decades, many of which were not necessary,
> > many
> > > > > > of which were poorly conceived and implemented. [see: New Orleans
> > > > > > among a legion of other places]  This is all well documented and
> > > > > > available for all to know. So, at least in this way I am against
> > this
> > > > > > group.
>
> > > > > > I don't know much about the National Guard, other than it is not
> > only
> > > > > > being grossly abused and misused, leaving the 'nation' at risk to
> > > > > > 'homeland' issues from natural disasters to the omnipresent
> > 'invasion'
> > > > > > across our boarders.
>
> > > > > > This leaves the Coast Guard. Again, since it is mainly being used
> > for
> > > > > > the 'War on Drugs'….. And, how is that war going? (irony)
>
> > > > > > Little of the above criticizes the individuals in each
> > organization.
> > > > > > More to the point the different group functions, methods,
> > > > > > administration and leadership as well as how each is directed by
> > the
> > > > > > current regime, are more of what should be examined.
>
> > > > > > When it comes to the Arctic, sadly this area is on the way out. Oh,
> > do
> > > > > > you reject global warming? If so, I'll have to support this I
> > guess.
> > > > > > When it comes to the Antarctic, see:
> > > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1093824/
> > > > > > A WONDERFUL and informative movie. The clips alone are worth the
> > time.
>
> > > > > > You say that deep-sea mapping wouldn't exist w/o the military.
> > While I
> > > > > > don't know for sure, my guess is that either it would be done by
> > the
> > > > > > educational system, 'publish or die', scientific community, other
> > > > > > countries or by the private sector IF it is in fact worthwhile in
> > any
> > > > > > objective sense.
>
> > > > > > You next ask, rhetorically perhaps, about satellite technology.
> > Again,
> > > > > > even the original satellites (Russian) were developed in academic
> > > > > > settings. The original deployment system for North America was
> > going
> > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in the way. Of
> > > > > > course, since the vast majority of all satellites in use today are
> > for
> > > > > > covert military use, your question is almost a tautology.
>
> > > > > > When one does a review of US history, we did quite well without a
> > > > > > standing army for quite a while. In fact, it was proposed by
> > Jefferson
> > > > > > to explicitly outlaw one in the Constitution. A good overview of
> > the
> > > > > > situation and foundational ideas can be found here:
> > > > > >http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0505-08.htm
>
> > > > > > Next, you ask the Faustian question of "…Sanctions only work if
> > they
> > > > > > are backed up by potential force. Would you privatize all of it?.."
>
> > > > > > First, we can do an analysis of 'sanctions'. However, since there
> > are
> > > > > > thousands of 'em, I won't take the time to do so now. IF you have
> > > > > > specific ones you are interested in, we can do that. As to
> > privatizing
> > > > > > the military, that has already happened. Well, not every last
> > person,
> > > > > > but everything from the mess tent to toilet paper, from Blackwater
> > to
> > > > > > Haliburton. And, of course, the private sector is always more
> > > > > > expensive. Articles about the cost of the war are ubiquitous. Here
> > is
> > > > > > one from a year or so ago:
> > > > > >http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2007/03/the_cost.html
>
> > > > > > As I've said, IF I could, I would reinstate the draft. And, for
> > other
> > > > > > views about the military industrial complex, I'll assume you are
> > > > > > familiar with Eisenhower's last speech about it.
>
> > > > > > Your question, "What would happen to civilian flight all over the
> > > > > > planet without the constant threat of military airbases strung
> > > > > > throughout?" perplexes me, so I won't address it now.
>
> > > > > > Your next question, "The world would be plunged in petty
> > dictatorships
> > > > > > and out the window with globalization don't you think?" seems to
> > > > > > tacitly include many assumptions. Shouldn't we begin with these
> > first?
>
> > > > > > When you said "It is more complex that just spending money on "the
> > > > > > war" in Iraq.", you state the obvious and in no way would/could I
> > > > > > disagree.
>
> > > > > > However, "The whole machinery is inextricable from our lives.",
> > > > > > appears to reject free will or at least a more detailed and
> > holistic
> > > > > > analysis and understanding.
>
> > > > > > And, in this and most situations, I don't look for the dichotomy.
> > Your
> > > > > > wish to find 'balance' between two sides reduces most things to
> > polar
> > > > > > opposites. As effective as this is in simplifying issues, I find it
> > > > > > seldom brings about wisdom or knowledge.
>
> > > > > > "We agree the military was misused in Iraq. What were better
> > options?
> > > > > > More sanctions?" - CB
>
> > > > > > This is an enormous question that can even be traced back to when
>
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