"...What do you think of the future of space stations?..." CB You may not like my answer. What I THINK about it is that their future is very dire. And the role of the US will continue to diminish.
I also have a strange intuition about the overall future of 'wo/man in space' being very dire too, something about not being able to adapt. IF huwo/manity survives, a low probability, it seems our 'travel' may have to take some other form than what is commonly thought of now by most. Thank you for asking! I don't think anyone has ever asked me this before, yet I've been contemplating it for a long time. And no, my time is not spent walking the streets with a sign saying the end is near! : - ) On Nov 6, 6:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Orn, > > Oh, I guess I jumped on any excuse to talk about aerospace/military, no > abuse intended to you. It is a shared hobby/career at my house, and I have > met so many interesting people in that industry. As you can tell, I am > close to the military and have family and friends in most government > agencies, and love to discuss them, good and bad. Space propulsion is my > favorite. > > Remember hearing about Avro Arrow but it was more for manned travel. Geeks > that designed it came out of Canada and started working for NASA....yep, 10 > years later "walkin on the moon". Nice story:) You would like this book... > > http://www.avroarrow.org/AvroArrow/Avroengineers.html > > What do you think of the future of space stations? Russia has a stick up its > bum right now, so wonder how that will affect collaborations?? > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > "...The original deployment system for North America..." - orn > > > Now I feel confused, used and perhaps abused. I was basing my comment > > on what I thought was a documentary film a few years ago as well as > > some online research I did at the time. > > Now it appears that, even though there remains much misinformation > > about the company, planes and cause of demise, the information may > > have been a bit of mythomania. Specifically, I am talking about the > > Avro Arrow. As I remember it, there were reports, films and > > discussions about it's capability to launch satellites into space…now > > I can't find the sources. So, will table it for now. > > > On Nov 5, 7:24 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Orn, I was referring to your own passage below in the reference to > > satellite > > > delivery systems... > > > > <<<The original deployment system for North America was going > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in the way.>>> > > > > that response I sent was directly pointed to this sentence. The original > > > deployment vehicles were always to be rocketry. Big, fast, and ugly. > > They > > > used rocket delivery instead of aircraft for the obvious reasons, as I am > > > sure you know. Mostly, I think, because we could test missile > > capabilities > > > simultaneously demonstrating how far our reach extended...on both sides > > of > > > course. Cold War contest. > > > > very important stuff, those satellites. practical uses for military and > > > civilians. This tech birthed GPS, which was only used by the military > > > until, what, the last 10 years? Not a bad innovation. > > > > Ode to Arthur C. Clarke:) > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:58 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >wrote: > > > > > "... Flight delivery? ...not practical and not used until after cold > > > > war a bit.... " - CB > > > > > I don't know what you are apparently criticizing here, sorry. > > > > > And, when it comes to sputnick, I still remember the headlines. I even > > > > bought a Revel model of it. And, in the late 50s, I was most likely > > > > one of the very few in Indiana to purchase and read magazines from and > > > > about Russian rockets. Everyone else was afraid to be called a 'Red' > > > > if they even picked them up, let alone read them. > > > > > On Nov 4, 1:30 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > <<<You next ask, rhetorically perhaps, about satellite technology. > > Again, > > > > > even the original satellites (Russian) were developed in academic > > > > > settings. The original deployment system for North America was going > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in the way. Of > > > > > course, since the vast majority of all satellites in use today are > > for > > > > > covert military use, your question is almost a tautology>>>> > > > > > > Satellite delivery and deployment at that time was rocket based > > mostly > > > > > because everyone was worried about missile development and using > > rocketry > > > > > just made one more workable link in the test system. Flight > > delivery? > > > > > ...not practical and not used until after cold war a bit.... > > > > > > this was the method similar to Russia's sputnik delivery... > > > > > >http://history.nasa.gov/sputnik/expinfo.html > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:49 PM, ornamentalmind < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > CB, when I used the term cancer, it was an analogy in response to > > your > > > > > > (also hyperbolic and comparative as truth) post: > > > > > > "…I know this little note is a spoof, but in a global society how > > can > > > > > > we Not police the planet? that is like letting the guy down the > > street > > > > > > corner beat the shit out of his wife and kids in his front yard and > > > > > > watching without response. Oh, yeah diplomatic > > > > > > relations...sanctions...." – CB on 10-28 > > > > > > > Looking at my post in context, I didn't say that I was 'against > > > > > > anything military'. In general, I accepted the reality of the > > > > > > situation. "I do not deny that today, yesterday, tomorrow, a year > > from > > > > > > now as well as a hundred years ago there were, are and will be > > those > > > > > > who wish to do harm to other people including the people currently > > in > > > > > > the USA. When this 'truth' is 'solved' by becoming State Terrorists > > in > > > > > > a perpetual war, a greater 'truth' arises and that is that 'we' > > > > > > perpetually are attracting an even greater amount of ire. This > > 'truth' > > > > > > has always been known." – Orn – 10-28 > > > > > > > I do find the Orwelian notion of perpetual war against a method > > rather > > > > > > than people for political purposes with obvious and well known > > results > > > > > > to be as close to 'sin' as one who does not embrace the notion of > > sin > > > > > > can find. > > > > > > > Also, my direct observation about the two methods of: > > > > > > 1. Agreement > > > > > > 2. Force > > > > > > …would seem to be reality based in this context too. > > > > > > > You continue with a list of organizations including Homeland > > Security. > > > > > > Here, since even many within the organization think it was at the > > very > > > > > > best ill-conceived, and at the worst an impediment for response, a > > > > > > bloated and grossly expensive bureaucracy that in fact does nothing > > > > > > better, same people in functions etc. I question why you even > > > > > > mentioned it. > > > > > > > The Army Corp of Engineers are well known to emulate beavers. They > > > > > > have built bridges for decades, many of which were not necessary, > > many > > > > > > of which were poorly conceived and implemented. [see: New Orleans > > > > > > among a legion of other places] This is all well documented and > > > > > > available for all to know. So, at least in this way I am against > > this > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > I don't know much about the National Guard, other than it is not > > only > > > > > > being grossly abused and misused, leaving the 'nation' at risk to > > > > > > 'homeland' issues from natural disasters to the omnipresent > > 'invasion' > > > > > > across our boarders. > > > > > > > This leaves the Coast Guard. Again, since it is mainly being used > > for > > > > > > the 'War on Drugs'….. And, how is that war going? (irony) > > > > > > > Little of the above criticizes the individuals in each > > organization. > > > > > > More to the point the different group functions, methods, > > > > > > administration and leadership as well as how each is directed by > > the > > > > > > current regime, are more of what should be examined. > > > > > > > When it comes to the Arctic, sadly this area is on the way out. Oh, > > do > > > > > > you reject global warming? If so, I'll have to support this I > > guess. > > > > > > When it comes to the Antarctic, see: > > > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1093824/ > > > > > > A WONDERFUL and informative movie. The clips alone are worth the > > time. > > > > > > > You say that deep-sea mapping wouldn't exist w/o the military. > > While I > > > > > > don't know for sure, my guess is that either it would be done by > > the > > > > > > educational system, 'publish or die', scientific community, other > > > > > > countries or by the private sector IF it is in fact worthwhile in > > any > > > > > > objective sense. > > > > > > > You next ask, rhetorically perhaps, about satellite technology. > > Again, > > > > > > even the original satellites (Russian) were developed in academic > > > > > > settings. The original deployment system for North America was > > going > > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in the way. Of > > > > > > course, since the vast majority of all satellites in use today are > > for > > > > > > covert military use, your question is almost a tautology. > > > > > > > When one does a review of US history, we did quite well without a > > > > > > standing army for quite a while. In fact, it was proposed by > > Jefferson > > > > > > to explicitly outlaw one in the Constitution. A good overview of > > the > > > > > > situation and foundational ideas can be found here: > > > > > >http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0505-08.htm > > > > > > > Next, you ask the Faustian question of "…Sanctions only work if > > they > > > > > > are backed up by potential force. Would you privatize all of it?.." > > > > > > > First, we can do an analysis of 'sanctions'. However, since there > > are > > > > > > thousands of 'em, I won't take the time to do so now. IF you have > > > > > > specific ones you are interested in, we can do that. As to > > privatizing > > > > > > the military, that has already happened. Well, not every last > > person, > > > > > > but everything from the mess tent to toilet paper, from Blackwater > > to > > > > > > Haliburton. And, of course, the private sector is always more > > > > > > expensive. Articles about the cost of the war are ubiquitous. Here > > is > > > > > > one from a year or so ago: > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
