Isparklaria, YOU NEED HELP! All your notions on this subject are extremely flawed! No, there is no demand for stoicism in kabbalah. None at all. There is no demand for anything. There is a path for success. No, stoicism is not an element of that. You are confusing different systems of Western esoteric initiation.
You are sighting some of the most peripheral and nonsensical material available. Anton for example. Child I knew Anton. As mentioned before, I lived across the street from Kenneth Anger. There were three of us laying the ground work for Thelema back then. Kenneth Anger, Kenneth Grant, and myself. Anton was the community fool. He was the giggle factor. All that he wrote was a very distorted comic book version designed to pick pockets. http://niggerwise.com On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 6, 12:46 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Still no reason to be cruel jerk to > > > everyone. > > Another thing about Crowley's approach is that it had certain elements > in common with the old school (Kabbalah). Whether coincidence or not > the old school claimed that one was not ready to begin the real work > until one had acheived a high degree of stoicism. You are probably > familiar with the saying that one should feel the same when insulted > or praised. Only after achieving this state should one begin serious > meditation. Crowley it appears required the same attitude in his > students. It seems as if he believed that treating them badly would > help develop this stoicism. Unfortunately of them were pushed over the > edge. > > Here is some more important information about Crowley’s approach to > illuminism from Robert Anton > Wilson:http://www.enemyonbothsides.com/2004/10/wretched-october-day.html > > One of Crowley’s major contemporary interpreters, Robert Anton Wilson, > outlined certain additional requirements for engaging in the practice > of Scientific Illuminism in his Cosmic Trigger vol 1. These are “a) > being in excellent health b)being competent in at least one athletic > skill c) being able to conduct experiments accurately in at least one > science d) having a general knowledge of several sciences e) being > able to pass an examination in formal logic being able to pass an > examination in the history of philosophy including Idealism, > Materialism, Rationalism, Spiritualism, Comparative Theology, etc.” > RAW also notes that “[without this] kind of general knowledge and the > self-confidence and independence of thought produced by such study, > magick investigations will merely blow your mind.(p. 72)” > > The article continues by the author (*NOT* R A Wilson) I am putting > this here for others who read this sight and are not familiar with > Crowley’s magic. > > So what interest might this be for a contemporary psychonaut? After > all the basic methodology that Crowley outlines in his training Libri > is that of a kind of intentional self-delusion. Wouldn’t investigating > these methods prove fruitless? What is there of value here once all > the Crowleyana is shaken off? And why bother with physical fitness or > athletics at all? > > What Crowley’s system of Scientific Illuminism teaches is not simply > self-delusion but rather learning to pull the wool over your own eyes > and as such learning about the nature of the mind and its contents. > This might seem like a fruitless endeavor, but unless one has engaged > in such intentional manipulation of perception and learned how it is > done one will never know how much of your own “hard won Initiatory > experience” is not simply a product of using your preferred wool, > especially in cases of Deity Mysticism. These methods also teach one a > certain amount of healthy skepticism about one’s own magical > experiences and helps to provide a more conscious understanding of > events self-exploration can engender. > > At its essence Scientific Illuminism is the combination of three > things: Rational Training, Meditative Practice and Ritual Magic. This > combination is perhaps one of the most effective methods for fully > realizing your potential as a magician. Of all of them perhaps the > most important is that of Rational Training. Rationality has long been > falsely seen as anathema to magic. What it is anathema to is not magic > but rather pre-rationalism masquerading as significance. > > On Nov 6, 12:46 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > No, it is not. It was because he was an a hole. One reacts in > > different ways due to early repression. So that is why he couldn't > > keep his hands off his own junk. Still no reason to be cruel jerk to > > everyone. > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > On Nov 6, 12:15 pm, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Nov 6, 12:05 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Why do I consider him a perv? Well, it has nothing to do with his > > > > sexual preference for himself, if that is what you are wondering. I > > > > base it on his inclination for excessive indulgence and compulsively > > > > hurting, to the point of destroying, any who showed they cared for > > > > him. > > > > Okay, I'll buy that. I suspect that it had a lot to do with the fact > > > that his parents were members of the Plymouth Bretheren. For those who > > > don't know, this ws the sect (cult?) that launched the current Rapture > > > craze more than 150 and fifty years ago. > > > > On Nov 6, 12:05 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Why do I consider him a perv? Well, it has nothing to do with his > > > > sexual preference for himself, if that is what you are wondering. I > > > > base it on his inclination for excessive indulgence and compulsively > > > > hurting, to the point of destroying, any who showed they cared for > > > > him. > > > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:44 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:33 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > reading that perv, Crowley, does. > > > > > > In what way do you consider Crowley a pervert? I am not saying that he > > > > > was or wasn't; I am just curious to find out what you made this > > > > > statement. > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:33 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Reading Giorgi does not make one knowledgeable of QBL any more than > > > > > > reading that perv, Crowley, does. > > > > > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:07 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:36 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > There is no reason to think Shakespeare > > > > > > > > > had any knowledge. That is based on a very weak legend the > > > > > > > > Shakespeare > > > > > > > > and Francis Bacon were one and the same person > > > > > > > > Many people who do *NOT* believe that Bacon and Newton were the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > person have some to the conclusion that Shakespeare was involved > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > QBL from studying his plays, especially The Merchant of Venice. > > > > > > > > This is a link to and part of any essay by one such > > > > > > > person:http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:T5D_2SECqxAJ:www.danielyharris.co... > > > > > > > > The Merchant of Venice was written in 1598 and first performed in > > > > > > > 1600, the year Hamlet was written and the year Giordano Bruno was > > > > > > > burnt at the stake, in Venice, his books used at kindling. The > > > > > > > decade > > > > > > > of the 1590’s in England was the era of the Jewish Converso, > > > > > > > Rodrigo > > > > > > > Lopez (accused of trying to poison Queen Elizabeth and burnt at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > stake) and Marlowe’s Barabbas, in addition to being the era of > > > > > > > wide- > > > > > > > spread Christian Cabala among the literati. The difference between > > > > > > > Barabbas and Shylock (and Shylock does lament that his daughter > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > not eloped with one from the stock of Barabbas) is that Barabbas > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > Jew-baiting cartoon of agit-prop meant to incite emotive response > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > Page 10 > > > > > > > Shakespeare, Kabbalah and the Occult, DYH, 10foment antisemitism. > > > > > > > Shylock is a dignified, albeit rapturous human being and the most > > > > > > > powerful dramatic voice that Shakespeare had yet created between > > > > > > > 1589 > > > > > > > and 1596. Influenced by Giorgi, Shakespeare produced in The > > > > > > > Merchant > > > > > > > of Venice a music-of-the-spheres poetry that would be rivaled > > > > > > > only by > > > > > > > Hamlet and Sir John Falstaff. According to Yates who reads Daniel > > > > > > > Banes’s book The Provocative Merchant of Venice, Shakespeare read > > > > > > > Giorgi’s De Harmonia in French in 1595. Shakespeare’s absorption > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Giorgi leads Banes to surmise that the Venice of his play is a > > > > > > > kabbalistic Eden replete with a Tree of Life and ten Sefirot. > > > > > > > Banes > > > > > > > names Antonio Hesed, names Shylock Gevurah and Portia Tiferet. > > > > > > > Albeit > > > > > > > provocative, we may surmise that the entire Merchant of Venice is > > > > > > > gevuric and that Shylock is Shakespeare’s own invention of his > > > > > > > emerging poetic autobiography. Portia is certainly beautiful and > > > > > > > bestowed with some of Shakespeare’s most powerful poetry. Antonio > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > certainly touched with love, albeit the homoerotic kind. Bassanio > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > clever enough to pick the lead casket, which Daniel Banes says is > > > > > > > symbolic of Judaism.Respectively, the three caskets represent the > > > > > > > three religions: gold=Christianity; silver=Islam; lead=Judaism. > > > > > > > Banes > > > > > > > quotes Proverbs 8:10-11, Choose my discipline, and not > > > > > > > silver/Choose > > > > > > > understanding, and not fine gold;/For wisdom is better than > > > > > > > rubies.According to Giorgi, lead represents Saturn which > > > > > > > represents > > > > > > > the religion of the Jews. It is by choosing the religion of the > > > > > > > Jews, > > > > > > > the Torah that Bassanio wins his Christian princess. We may even > > > > > > > surmise that the lovely poetry expounded by Lorenzo before his > > > > > > > beloved > > > > > > > Jessica is indeed cherubic, but it seems to pale, as does the > > > > > > > verse > > > > > > > employed by Portia, before the Kadmonic Shylock, who resonates > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > powerful life-creating force.In fact, Shylock is the Shakespearian > > > > > > > giest which propelled Shakespeare to invent Sir John Falstaff and > > > > > > > Hamlet. Without the rapturous kabbalistic emptying out of core > > > > > > > force, > > > > > > > Shakespeare could not have moved on to the very limits of > > > > > > > literary art > > > > > > > with Hamlet. Shylock inherits the Generations of Adam and cleaves > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > adamic invention, thus the pound of flesh, which reminds one of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > weight of adamic clay-flesh employed by Yahweh at the primal > > > > > > > scene of > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
