On Nov 7, 2:28 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isparklaria, YOU NEED HELP!
BBDD, if you really have all of the experience with QBL that you claim, then I could use your help, if I decide to pursue that study. In that case, I would actually be grateful for any help you could give me. On Nov 7, 2:28 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: All your notions on this subject are extremely flawed! No, there is no > demand for stoicism in kabbalah. None at all. QBL and other more recent takes on Kabbalah may not require stoicism; I don’t know much about QBL; my only knowledge of QBL comes from books and a little bit of dabbling with some ideas found in them. On the other hand the old literature on Kabbalah makes it clear that practicing Kabbalistic meditation without first transforming ones personality so that one is stoic will likely lead to big problems. It is possible that the methods of QBL have changed enough from Kabbalah so that this is no longer necessary to be stoic. This is from on link that back up what I say about stoicism and Kabbalah: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~spiegel/kabbalah/jkm07.htm 7.21 Humility One must obtain the level of humility before being able to experience authentic kabbalah. And what is humility? This is none other then to be stoic, to be indifferent to one who complements as one who insults. [629] Bittul – nullify means humility in Hebrew. There are many books and web pages that also say that stoicism is needed. I believe them not because they are merely from what seems top be a good authority (and I have heard this advice from people who I also believe were knew what they were talking about), but I believe this because it seems reasonable. I know from even low-level meditation that one can have problems if one is easily influenced by these experiences. Stoicism is necessary to keep things in perspective. I am very busy today, so I might not get back to you until much later this evening. I see that you wrote some things about Thelema, but I have not yet read them. I am planning to read them later. At that time I may also respond. On Nov 7, 2:28 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isparklaria, YOU NEED HELP! > > All your notions on this subject are extremely flawed! No, there is no > demand for stoicism in kabbalah. None at all. There is no demand for > anything. There is a path for success. No, stoicism is not an element > of that. You are confusing different systems of Western esoteric > initiation. > > You are sighting some of the most peripheral and nonsensical material > available. Anton for example. Child I knew Anton. As mentioned before, > I lived across the street from Kenneth Anger. There were three of us > laying the ground work for Thelema back then. Kenneth Anger, Kenneth > Grant, and myself. Anton was the community fool. He was the giggle > factor. All that he wrote was a very distorted comic book version > designed to pick pockets. > > http://niggerwise.com > > On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:46 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Still no reason to be cruel jerk to > > > > everyone. > > > Another thing about Crowley's approach is that it had certain elements > > in common with the old school (Kabbalah). Whether coincidence or not > > the old school claimed that one was not ready to begin the real work > > until one had acheived a high degree of stoicism. You are probably > > familiar with the saying that one should feel the same when insulted > > or praised. Only after achieving this state should one begin serious > > meditation. Crowley it appears required the same attitude in his > > students. It seems as if he believed that treating them badly would > > help develop this stoicism. Unfortunately of them were pushed over the > > edge. > > > Here is some more important information about Crowley’s approach to > > illuminism from Robert Anton > > Wilson:http://www.enemyonbothsides.com/2004/10/wretched-october-day.html > > > One of Crowley’s major contemporary interpreters, Robert Anton Wilson, > > outlined certain additional requirements for engaging in the practice > > of Scientific Illuminism in his Cosmic Trigger vol 1. These are “a) > > being in excellent health b)being competent in at least one athletic > > skill c) being able to conduct experiments accurately in at least one > > science d) having a general knowledge of several sciences e) being > > able to pass an examination in formal logic being able to pass an > > examination in the history of philosophy including Idealism, > > Materialism, Rationalism, Spiritualism, Comparative Theology, etc.” > > RAW also notes that “[without this] kind of general knowledge and the > > self-confidence and independence of thought produced by such study, > > magick investigations will merely blow your mind.(p. 72)” > > > The article continues by the author (*NOT* R A Wilson) I am putting > > this here for others who read this sight and are not familiar with > > Crowley’s magic. > > > So what interest might this be for a contemporary psychonaut? After > > all the basic methodology that Crowley outlines in his training Libri > > is that of a kind of intentional self-delusion. Wouldn’t investigating > > these methods prove fruitless? What is there of value here once all > > the Crowleyana is shaken off? And why bother with physical fitness or > > athletics at all? > > > What Crowley’s system of Scientific Illuminism teaches is not simply > > self-delusion but rather learning to pull the wool over your own eyes > > and as such learning about the nature of the mind and its contents. > > This might seem like a fruitless endeavor, but unless one has engaged > > in such intentional manipulation of perception and learned how it is > > done one will never know how much of your own “hard won Initiatory > > experience” is not simply a product of using your preferred wool, > > especially in cases of Deity Mysticism. These methods also teach one a > > certain amount of healthy skepticism about one’s own magical > > experiences and helps to provide a more conscious understanding of > > events self-exploration can engender. > > > At its essence Scientific Illuminism is the combination of three > > things: Rational Training, Meditative Practice and Ritual Magic. This > > combination is perhaps one of the most effective methods for fully > > realizing your potential as a magician. Of all of them perhaps the > > most important is that of Rational Training. Rationality has long been > > falsely seen as anathema to magic. What it is anathema to is not magic > > but rather pre-rationalism masquerading as significance. > > > On Nov 6, 12:46 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No, it is not. It was because he was an a hole. One reacts in > > > different ways due to early repression. So that is why he couldn't > > > keep his hands off his own junk. Still no reason to be cruel jerk to > > > everyone. > > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > > On Nov 6, 12:15 pm, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:05 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Why do I consider him a perv? Well, it has nothing to do with his > > > > > sexual preference for himself, if that is what you are wondering. I > > > > > base it on his inclination for excessive indulgence and compulsively > > > > > hurting, to the point of destroying, any who showed they cared for > > > > > him. > > > > > Okay, I'll buy that. I suspect that it had a lot to do with the fact > > > > that his parents were members of the Plymouth Bretheren. For those who > > > > don't know, this ws the sect (cult?) that launched the current Rapture > > > > craze more than 150 and fifty years ago. > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:05 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Why do I consider him a perv? Well, it has nothing to do with his > > > > > sexual preference for himself, if that is what you are wondering. I > > > > > base it on his inclination for excessive indulgence and compulsively > > > > > hurting, to the point of destroying, any who showed they cared for > > > > > him. > > > > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:44 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:33 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > reading that perv, Crowley, does. > > > > > > > In what way do you consider Crowley a pervert? I am not saying that > > > > > > he > > > > > > was or wasn't; I am just curious to find out what you made this > > > > > > statement. > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:33 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Reading Giorgi does not make one knowledgeable of QBL any more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > reading that perv, Crowley, does. > > > > > > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:07 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:36 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no reason to think Shakespeare > > > > > > > > > > had any knowledge. That is based on a very weak legend the > > > > > > > > > Shakespeare > > > > > > > > > and Francis Bacon were one and the same person > > > > > > > > > Many people who do *NOT* believe that Bacon and Newton were the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > person have some to the conclusion that Shakespeare was > > > > > > > > involved in > > > > > > > > QBL from studying his plays, especially The Merchant of Venice. > > > > > > > > > This is a link to and part of any essay by one such > > > > > > > > person:http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:T5D_2SECqxAJ:www.danielyharris.co... > > > > > > > > > The Merchant of Venice was written in 1598 and first performed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 1600, the year Hamlet was written and the year Giordano Bruno > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > burnt at the stake, in Venice, his books used at kindling. The > > > > > > > > decade > > > > > > > > of the 1590’s in England was the era of the Jewish Converso, > > > > > > > > Rodrigo > > > > > > > > Lopez (accused of trying to poison Queen Elizabeth and burnt at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > stake) and Marlowe’s Barabbas, in addition to being the era of > > > > > > > > wide- > > > > > > > > spread Christian Cabala among the literati. The difference > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > Barabbas and Shylock (and Shylock does lament that his daughter > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > not eloped with one from the stock of Barabbas) is that > > > > > > > > Barabbas is a > > > > > > > > Jew-baiting cartoon of agit-prop meant to incite emotive > > > > > > > > response to > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Page 10 > > > > > > > > Shakespeare, Kabbalah and the Occult, DYH, 10foment > > > > > > > > antisemitism. > > > > > > > > Shylock is a dignified, albeit rapturous human being and the > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > powerful dramatic voice that Shakespeare had yet created > > > > > > > > between 1589 > > > > > > > > and 1596. Influenced by Giorgi, Shakespeare produced in The > > > > > > > > Merchant > > > > > > > > of Venice a music-of-the-spheres poetry that would be rivaled > > > > > > > > only by > > > > > > > > Hamlet and Sir John Falstaff. According to Yates who reads > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > Banes’s book The Provocative Merchant of Venice, Shakespeare > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > Giorgi’s De Harmonia in French in 1595. Shakespeare’s > > > > > > > > absorption of > > > > > > > > Giorgi leads Banes to surmise that the Venice of his play is a > > > > > > > > kabbalistic Eden replete with a Tree of Life and ten Sefirot. > > > > > > > > Banes > > > > > > > > names Antonio Hesed, names Shylock Gevurah and Portia Tiferet. > > > > > > > > Albeit > > > > > > > > provocative, we may surmise that the entire Merchant of Venice > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > gevuric and that Shylock is Shakespeare’s own invention of his > > > > > > > > emerging poetic autobiography. Portia is certainly beautiful and > > > > > > > > bestowed with some of Shakespeare’s most powerful poetry. > > > > > > > > Antonio is > > > > > > > > certainly touched with love, albeit the homoerotic kind. > > > > > > > > Bassanio is > > > > > > > > clever enough to pick the lead casket, which Daniel Banes says > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > symbolic of Judaism.Respectively, the three caskets represent > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > three religions: gold=Christianity; silver=Islam; lead=Judaism. > > > > > > > > Banes > > > > > > > > quotes Proverbs 8:10-11, Choose my discipline, and not > > > > > > > > silver/Choose- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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