Yes, China doesn't have unions.  We have unions.  Unions make it possible for 
non-union workers who make a third of their income  to buy $10,000.00 cars 
for $30,000.00 and pay 3X more in interest. What effect  does dramatically 
higher labor cost have on our loss of jobs to overseas  (and the erosion of our 
manufacturing base), the standard of living  for non union workers and the 
economy as a whole?
 
J.
 

humanis, China doesn't have unions.

On Dec 12,  6:48 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> Unions!
>
>  J.
>
> And  just why has the manufacturing base of the US  been eroded?
>
> hint: don't  try to blame the  workers
>
> On Dec 12, 12:52 pm, Clogtowner  <[email protected]>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi y'all - to put  it in a  nutshell, the manufacturing base of this
> > country  has been eroded to  the point where all tokens outside the
> >  casino are worthless. Even the  eucharist is only worth half its
>  > original value and it is made in  China.
>
> > On Dec  12, 2:23 pm, "Jason (Memphis)"  <[email protected]>
>  >  wrote:
>
> > > Some of those statements are  extreme such as claiming that no regard
> > > was taken for  the  long-term production, etc.
>
> > > On Dec 12, 2:20  pm,  "Jason (Memphis)" <[email protected]>
> >  >  wrote:
>
> > > > I sent this as a letter to  the editor for the  Memphis Flyer, which
> > > > will  hopefully generate some more  discussion.  I just based this  
off
> > > > of "The Token  Economy: A Motivational System  for Therapy and
> > > >  Rehabilitation" by Teodoro Ayllon  and Nathan Azrin.  It may not
> >  > > entirely fit  but experimental analysis of how to motivate people  to
> > >  > engage in tasks by giving them slips of paper with token  values  may
> > > > serve as an okay model for our economy as a  whole.
>
> > > > Jason
>
> > >  > "OUR TOKEN  ECONOMY"
>
> > > > I think that  most people understand what is  happening with our
> > > >  economy.  You can conduct a complex  analysis of the equally
>  > > > complicated market but the simple  truth still plays a  major role, 
that
> > > > is, our tokens (money)  are  exchanged for wanted goods and services.
> > > > Since we no  longer support the gold standard, our tokens will be
> > >  >  worthless in the United States and the world economy if valuable  
goods
> >  > > and services can’t back them  up.
>
> > > > As I see  it, a few major mechanisms  are at play.  First, big
> > > >  government has  created a massive and expensive bureaucratic system,
> >  >  > which the private companies and taxpayers must support.  You  need
> > > > government but our government can’t and  shouldn’t be  expected to do
> > > > everything.  Second, Wall Street has  accumulated too many tokens in
>  > > > the hands of too few  individuals and these Wall Street  individuals
> > > > have given  these tokens to other  individuals who aren’t producing a
> > > > lot  of goods  and services in exchange for these tokens—bad
> > > >  investment.  Remember that token values are primarily based on  what
> > > > goods and services can be exchanged for  these tokens  and the tokens
> > > > themselves are  inherently worthless.  Third, Wall Street and the
> > > >  average investor have  liquidated many production institutions
>  > > > (companies) through  mergers and other schemes to gain  quick profits
> > > > without any  regard to the effects  on long-term production of 
valuable
> > > >  goods and  services.  Fourth, Wall Street and the average investor  
have
> > > > undermined the free market forces by  determining (in  contrast to
> > > > allowing buyers to  control) the fate of a  company by its ability to
> > > >  make a fast profit while ignoring  its ability to produce value  
goods
> > > > and services.    This climate has lead  to an obsession with tokens 
and
> > > >  a blind eye to  what makes those tokens valuable: accompanying goods
> >  >  > and services.
>
> > > > In my opinion, we need to  focus on the basics.  First, the government
> > > >  has no  choice but to inject tokens back into workers’ pockets to  
avoid
> > >  > freezing the financial systems or  disrupting the delicate exchange  
of
> > > > tokens for  good and services.  Second, we should  (once again) focus 
on
>  > > > producing valuable goods and services.  That means that we  have to
> > > > continue to acquire skills  and work hard  with the more people 
working
> > > > (instead of  social-loafing) the better.  Third, we cannot continue to
>  > >  > act as if more tokens without accompanying sellable goods  and  
services
> > > > will somehow increase the value of  our tokens.  That is unrealistic.
> > > > If money  determined a country’s  wealth, each African country could
> >  > > become extraordinarily  wealthy by solely manufacturing paper  and
> > > > coined  money.
>
> > > >  In sum, we need to start focusing more on the  production of  
valuable
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