Hi y'all - yes I've been discussing this on another board. To support my argument that Jesus is/was perfect, I quoted 1 Peter 2:22 "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." The very underhand Rick replied by pointing out various verses in the bible, too numerous to list, which contradict this, showing Jesus' treatment of family, friends and fig trees etc. I was shocked to learn of these contradictions in the bible. I also think it was grossly unfair of Rick to point them out in public. I was forced to eat my words and revise my whole opinion of Jesus. I'm trying to find in my heart the forgiveness that Rick probably feels he deserves. I fart in his general direction!
On Jan 19, 6:25 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Would you like to expand on that clog? > > On Jan 19, 12:55 pm, Clogtowner <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi y'all - only Jesus is/was perfect! > > > On Jan 19, 2:16 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Of course, the unsanitized MLK, like Bill, loved to 'sleep around' > > > too. > > > > On Jan 19, 11:54 am, Rick S <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So many people remember Martin Luther King Jr. in the sanitized way > > > > that network television presents him. We are shown excerpts of his "I > > > > have a Dream" or "Been to the Mountaintop" speeches. But he was also > > > > an ardent advocate of peace and of ending the war in Vietnam. > > > > > One of his best speeches was also one of the most criticized. Time > > > > magazine and the Washington Post stopped short of calling him a > > > > traitor to the nation. If their editors were to re-read his speech > > > > today, they would recognize it as one of the most powerful speeches > > > > against militarism ever. I believe it is one of his best speeches and > > > > I wish more peoiple would read it in its entirety. So, for those who > > > > would like to understand more about the real MLK, I will provide a > > > > link http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/19-13. > > > > > For those who do not wish to read a long speech, I will include some > > > > of my favorite excerpts: > > > > > "A time comes when silence is betrayal." That time has come for us in > > > > relation to Vietnam." > > > > > " There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection > > > > between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I, and others, have been > > > > waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in that > > > > struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the > > > > poor -- both black and white -- through the poverty program. There > > > > were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in > > > > Vietnam and I watched the program broken and eviscerated as if it were > > > > some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war, and I knew > > > > that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in > > > > rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam > > > > continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic > > > > destructive suction tube. So I was increasingly compelled to see the > > > > war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such." > > > > > "As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men I > > > > have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their > > > > problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while > > > > maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully > > > > through nonviolent action. But they asked -- and rightly so -- what > > > > about Vietnam? They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses > > > > of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it > > > > wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again > > > > raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos > > > > without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of > > > > violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of > > > > those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of hundreds > > > > of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent. " > > > > > "This I believe to be the privilege and the burden of all of us who > > > > deem ourselves bound by allegiances and loyalties which are broader > > > > and deeper than nationalism and which go beyond our nation's self- > > > > defined goals and positions. We are called to speak for the weak, for > > > > the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy, > > > > for no document from human hands can make these humans any less our > > > > brothers." > > > > > "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world > > > > revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of > > > > values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" > > > > society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, > > > > profit motives and property rights are considered more important than > > > > people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are > > > > incapable of being conquered. " > > > > > "We are now faced with the fact that tomorrow is today. We are > > > > confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum > > > > of life and history there is such a thing as being too late. > > > > Procrastination is still the thief of time. Life often leaves us > > > > standing bare, naked and dejected with a lost opportunity. The "tide > > > > in the affairs of men" does not remain at the flood; it ebbs. We may > > > > cry out deperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is deaf > > > > to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled > > > > residue of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words: "Too > > > > late." There is an invisible book of life that faithfully records our > > > > vigilance or our neglect. "The moving finger writes, and having writ > > > > moves on..." We still have a choice today; nonviolent coexistence or > > > > violent co-annihilation." > > > > > Rick S- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
