Thanks,
Your link is a great resource!
Rick S
On Jan 20, 3:30 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> Perhaps you could use this reference next
> time....http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
>
> On Jan 20, 9:03 am, Clogtowner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi y'all - yes I've been discussing this on another board. To support
> > my argument that Jesus is/was perfect, I quoted 1 Peter 2:22 "He
> > committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."
> > The very underhand Rick replied by pointing out various verses in the
> > bible, too numerous to list, which contradict this, showing Jesus'
> > treatment of family, friends and fig trees etc.
> > I was shocked to learn of these contradictions in the bible. I also
> > think it was grossly unfair of Rick to point them out in public. I was
> > forced to eat my words and revise my whole opinion of Jesus. I'm
> > trying to find in my heart the forgiveness that Rick probably feels he
> > deserves.
> > I fart in his general direction!
>
> > On Jan 19, 6:25 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Would you like to expand on that clog?
>
> > > On Jan 19, 12:55 pm, Clogtowner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi y'all - only Jesus is/was perfect!
>
> > > > On Jan 19, 2:16 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Of course, the unsanitized MLK, like Bill, loved to 'sleep around'
> > > > > too.
>
> > > > > On Jan 19, 11:54 am, Rick S <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > So many people remember Martin Luther King Jr. in the sanitized way
> > > > > > that network television presents him. We are shown excerpts of his
> > > > > > "I
> > > > > > have a Dream" or "Been to the Mountaintop" speeches. But he was
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > an ardent advocate of peace and of ending the war in Vietnam.
>
> > > > > > One of his best speeches was also one of the most criticized. Time
> > > > > > magazine and the Washington Post stopped short of calling him a
> > > > > > traitor to the nation. If their editors were to re-read his speech
> > > > > > today, they would recognize it as one of the most powerful speeches
> > > > > > against militarism ever. I believe it is one of his best speeches
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > I wish more peoiple would read it in its entirety. So, for those
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > would like to understand more about the real MLK, I will provide a
> > > > > > link http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/19-13.
>
> > > > > > For those who do not wish to read a long speech, I will include some
> > > > > > of my favorite excerpts:
>
> > > > > > "A time comes when silence is betrayal." That time has come for us
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > relation to Vietnam."
>
> > > > > > " There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection
> > > > > > between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I, and others, have been
> > > > > > waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the
> > > > > > poor -- both black and white -- through the poverty program. There
> > > > > > were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in
> > > > > > Vietnam and I watched the program broken and eviscerated as if it
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war, and I
> > > > > > knew
> > > > > > that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in
> > > > > > rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam
> > > > > > continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic
> > > > > > destructive suction tube. So I was increasingly compelled to see the
> > > > > > war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such."
>
> > > > > > "As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while
> > > > > > maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully
> > > > > > through nonviolent action. But they asked -- and rightly so -- what
> > > > > > about Vietnam? They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive
> > > > > > doses
> > > > > > of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it
> > > > > > wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never
> > > > > > again
> > > > > > raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos
> > > > > > without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of
> > > > > > violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of
> > > > > > those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of
> > > > > > hundreds
> > > > > > of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent. "
>
> > > > > > "This I believe to be the privilege and the burden of all of us who
> > > > > > deem ourselves bound by allegiances and loyalties which are broader
> > > > > > and deeper than nationalism and which go beyond our nation's self-
> > > > > > defined goals and positions. We are called to speak for the weak,
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls
> > > > > > enemy,
> > > > > > for no document from human hands can make these humans any less our
> > > > > > brothers."
>
> > > > > > "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world
> > > > > > revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of
> > > > > > values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented"
> > > > > > society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers,
> > > > > > profit motives and property rights are considered more important
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > incapable of being conquered. "
>
> > > > > > "We are now faced with the fact that tomorrow is today. We are
> > > > > > confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding
> > > > > > conundrum
> > > > > > of life and history there is such a thing as being too late.
> > > > > > Procrastination is still the thief of time. Life often leaves us
> > > > > > standing bare, naked and dejected with a lost opportunity. The "tide
> > > > > > in the affairs of men" does not remain at the flood; it ebbs. We may
> > > > > > cry out deperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is
> > > > > > deaf
> > > > > > to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled
> > > > > > residue of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words:
> > > > > > "Too
> > > > > > late." There is an invisible book of life that faithfully records
> > > > > > our
> > > > > > vigilance or our neglect. "The moving finger writes, and having writ
> > > > > > moves on..." We still have a choice today; nonviolent coexistence or
> > > > > > violent co-annihilation."
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