Hi Gaurab,
By v6 to end-users, do you mean residential users ?
Regards,
-Ahmed
From: Gaurab Raj Upadhaya
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day
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Hi Ahmed, others,
Do we have any ISPs/ Carriers in the ME region that provide v6 to
end-users (either as Tunnels, or native ).
thanks
- -gaurab
On 6/9/11 1:41 PM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote:
> My comments below with a minor correction in the 1st comment.
>
> -Ahmed
>
>
> *From:* Brian Candler <mailto:[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:54 PM
> *To:* Ahmed Abu-Abed <mailto:[email protected]>
> *Cc:* 'menog@menog. net' <mailto:'menog@menog. net'>
> *Subject:* Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day
>
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:51:26AM +0300, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote:
>> >> Until the whole internet AND web content AND networks AND
>> applications move to IPv6 ONLY then there will be a need for tunneling.
>> Dual-stacking is needed but it doesn't solve the IPv4 depletion issue,
>
> But client-side tunnelling relies on having an IPv4 address too, so it
> doesn't solve depletion.
> />> It may not solve depletion but tunneling accelerates IPv6
> adoption, while "carrier grade" tunnels present a more stable approach
> than multi-level NATs. Future networks will likely be IPv6-only except
> for the dual-stack hosts that tunnel IPv4-in-IPv6 , a reverse of today's
> tunnels. Refer to the DS-Lite standards among others, and this approach
> is part of the 3GPP/LTE standards for mobile networks migration to IPv6./
> //
> Estimates I've seen so far from IPv6 day suggest that although traffic was
> up, V6 accounted for between 0.02% and 0.3% of total traffic. Of that, 90%
> was tunnelled (i.e. only 10% native). So basically: (1) there is no
> signficiant IPv6 Internet today, and (2) if you want to join what there is,
> you do indeed probably have to tunnel.
> />> Tunnels solve the chicken and egg problem, it allows IPv6 content to
> be accessible until IPv6 gains a wider installed base which may take
> years. During the same time the burden of running IPv4 with no public
> addresses will grow. Both RIPE NCC and ARIN have publicly endorsed
> tunneling to speed up IPv6 deployment./
>
> That doesn't mean that installing a tunnel client is a good idea for anyone
> except network specialists who know what they're doing.
> />> Protocols that automate the setup of carrier grade tunnels, such as
> TSP, make installing tunnels a plug and play affair. Refer to my
> original email and try it to see for yourself. For zero user
> intervention needs, there are CPE IPv6 Adapters that plug in an ethernet
> port on an IPv4 home router and automatically setup IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels
> (see the ARIN Wiki on IPv6 CPEs). All these are carrier grade solutions
> and have been deployed by tier-1 carriers./
>
> If random end-users start installing this stuff without understanding it,
> then (a) they are probably opening up security holes into their network, and
> (b) they may impede a later smooth rollout of native v6.
> />> Whether users dual-stack or tunnel to IPv6 the security requirements
> are mostly the same. Waiting for end-to-end dual-stack to be deployed
> all the way to the home CPE to complete is a multi year project. And I
> don't see IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels impeding rollout of native IPv6 if the
> tunnels clients AND servers are fully under control of the ISP and part
> of their network. The rule here is for ISPs to avoid using Teredo, 6to4
> and ISATAP tunnels which, unfortunately, are everywhere./
>
>
>
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