Hi Gaurab,
I know that many regional ISPs started the effort towards dual-stacking their
core, and a few have reached this target, but I am yet to see an advertised
IPv6 access service to residential users.
Regards,
-Ahmed
From: Gaurab Raj Upadhaya
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 9:55 AM
To: Ahmed Abu-Abed
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day
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Hi Ahmed,
Well, to end-users (either residential or business users). Not at an
ISP-ISP level.
- -gaurab
On 6/11/11 7:27 AM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote:
> Hi Gaurab,
>
> By v6 to end-users, do you mean residential users ?
>
> Regards,
> -Ahmed
>
>
>
> *From:* Gaurab Raj Upadhaya <mailto:[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:21 AM
> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day
>
> Hi Ahmed, others,
>
> Do we have any ISPs/ Carriers in the ME region that provide v6 to
> end-users (either as Tunnels, or native ).
>
> thanks
> -gaurab
>
>
> On 6/9/11 1:41 PM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote:
>> My comments below with a minor correction in the 1st comment.
>
>> -Ahmed
>
>
>> *From:* Brian Candler <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:54 PM
>> *To:* Ahmed Abu-Abed <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Cc:* 'menog@menog <mailto:'menog@menog>. net' <mailto:'menog@menog. net'>
>> *Subject:* Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day
>
>> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:51:26AM +0300, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote:
>>> >> Until the whole internet AND web content AND networks AND
>>> applications move to IPv6 ONLY then there will be a need for
> tunneling.
>>> Dual-stacking is needed but it doesn't solve the IPv4 depletion issue,
>
>> But client-side tunnelling relies on having an IPv4 address too, so it
>> doesn't solve depletion.
>> />> It may not solve depletion but tunneling accelerates IPv6
>> adoption, while "carrier grade" tunnels present a more stable approach
>> than multi-level NATs. Future networks will likely be IPv6-only except
>> for the dual-stack hosts that tunnel IPv4-in-IPv6 , a reverse of today's
>> tunnels. Refer to the DS-Lite standards among others, and this approach
>> is part of the 3GPP/LTE standards for mobile networks migration to IPv6./
>> //
>> Estimates I've seen so far from IPv6 day suggest that although traffic was
>> up, V6 accounted for between 0.02% and 0.3% of total traffic. Of
> that, 90%
>> was tunnelled (i.e. only 10% native). So basically: (1) there is no
>> signficiant IPv6 Internet today, and (2) if you want to join what
> there is,
>> you do indeed probably have to tunnel.
>> />> Tunnels solve the chicken and egg problem, it allows IPv6 content to
>> be accessible until IPv6 gains a wider installed base which may take
>> years. During the same time the burden of running IPv4 with no public
>> addresses will grow. Both RIPE NCC and ARIN have publicly endorsed
>> tunneling to speed up IPv6 deployment./
>
>> That doesn't mean that installing a tunnel client is a good idea for
> anyone
>> except network specialists who know what they're doing.
>> />> Protocols that automate the setup of carrier grade tunnels, such as
>> TSP, make installing tunnels a plug and play affair. Refer to my
>> original email and try it to see for yourself. For zero user
>> intervention needs, there are CPE IPv6 Adapters that plug in an ethernet
>> port on an IPv4 home router and automatically setup IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels
>> (see the ARIN Wiki on IPv6 CPEs). All these are carrier grade solutions
>> and have been deployed by tier-1 carriers./
>
>> If random end-users start installing this stuff without understanding it,
>> then (a) they are probably opening up security holes into their
> network, and
>> (b) they may impede a later smooth rollout of native v6.
>> />> Whether users dual-stack or tunnel to IPv6 the security requirements
>> are mostly the same. Waiting for end-to-end dual-stack to be deployed
>> all the way to the home CPE to complete is a multi year project. And I
>> don't see IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels impeding rollout of native IPv6 if the
>> tunnels clients AND servers are fully under control of the ISP and part
>> of their network. The rule here is for ISPs to avoid using Teredo, 6to4
>> and ISATAP tunnels which, unfortunately, are everywhere./
>
>
>
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