good point on overpenetration. 5.56 very infrequently
overpenetrates (to talk about rifles) becuase of it's
quick yaw and snapping along the cannelure. Totally
different ball game than small and fast in handguns.

Christopher


--- RAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >Curt wrote:
> >Actually it reads more like small and slow vs. big
> and slow. I like >shooting a .38, there are many
> well balanced comfortable .38s but >they've got zip
> for stopping power even compared to the 9mm.
> 
> Yes they were having poor results with the .38 colt.
> (I don't know how it compares to .38,.38super or 9mm
> of today)  But they were also having problems with
> the 30-40 Krag. Which is small and fast (somewhere
> between a 30-30 and 308)
> 
> The Americans had become acquainted with the
> Juramentado. "A Moro who had worked himself up to
> religious fanaticism and goes forth to kill all
> unbelievers in Mohammadanism until he himself is
> killed." It took some killing (Capt.) Wood watched
> as - A Moro rushed out of the tall grass ... and
> made a beeline for one of our flankers. The man
> emptied his rifle into the Moro, but he came
> bounding on and did not stop... That was why the war
> Dept. recalled its .38 caliber Colt and Smith and
> Wesson revolvers from the Philippines and
> substituted the heavier Colt .45
> 
> "The man emptied his rifle into the Moro" The rifle
> is the 30-40 Krag. It holds 5 rounds. I borrowed
> one( 30-40 Krag) years ago during a Deer season when
> I tried hunting outside my usual shotgun only
> county. Killed a 195lb 6-point at 150yds with one
> shot. It took about 3 steps and dropped.
> 
> ...he was finally felled by a .45 slug through both
> ears... He had thirty-two Krag balls through him and
> was only stopped by the Colt .45 - the thirty-third
> bullet.
> 
> "He had thirty-two Krag balls through him"  This is
> also the 30-40 Krag rifle. They seemed  be able to
> stop these guys after they reissued the old single
> action Hoglegs in .45 Long Colt, which is very close
> to the .45 ACP
> 
> I think even though small and fast cartridges look
> better on paper, you need to consider the amount of
> energy lost with the bullet when exiting the body.
> The .357 is a good example of a over penetrating
> round. 
> 
> My opinion is that Big and Slow delivers more energy
> to the body. I prefer any well made 1911 model in
> .45ACP. They are accurate(I can hit pop cans at
> 25yds every time I pull the trigger all day long)
> They are easy to shoot and teach someone else to
> shoot (single action trigger pull) If you use the
> right ammo and well made clips, they are very
> reliable and have less recoil than any .357 I've
> shot.   Russ H.
> 
> 
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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
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