Ernest, As an original member of the "formerly known as Andy" club, I should have known better than to Ernie-fy you.
So are their reputable companies in the big cities operating under industrial economies of scale who are hauling away restaurants' fryer grease and turning it into bio diesel? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, ernest breakfield < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi Rich! > > yes but not really, no, and kinda',... ;-) > > you *could* make soap from it, but nobody would want to use it for > anything other than maybe cleaning their tools! leftover Methanol and other > impurities from the oil wind up in the Glycerin, and it's not something > you'd want on your skin. > Glycerin used for Soap is of Food Grade; the byproduct of BioD production > isn't anywhere near that clean. > someone somewhere might have a use for it, but the byproduct of homebrew > BioD is not what most people would have in mind when they think of the term > "usable byproduct". > > you can find some of the best evolving info from real-time Biodiesel'ers > on the BurnVeggies list or the Infopop forum. (the Journey to Forever Site > is obviously biased, and while there is some good info there there's so much > mis-information mixed in with it the site is somewhat controversial.) > > > cheers! > e > > > > Rich Thomas wrote: > >> Can you make soap from the glycerin? It's pretty clean, right? I thought >> I read that somewhere that it is a usable by-product. >> >> --R >> >> ernest breakfield wrote: >> >>> hi Andrew, >>> >>> (it's Ernest, actually; not Ernie.) >>> >>> i don't want to deflate anyone's balloon WRT Biofuels; i'm a big >>> proponent of responsible Biofuels, and have been using B100 in our '85 300D >>> for several years/50K+ miles already. >>> i just don't want to see anyone get sucked into thinking it's easy >>> without knowing what all needs to be considered. i think that knowing what >>> those considerations are before moving forward makes it that much more >>> likely that people willing to make the effort will succeed. >>> >>> moreover, i hate seeing people get suckered in by the unscrupulous that >>> are are trying to take advantage of others by preying on a desire to do the >>> Right Thing. (the amount of money HF is asking for that thing is obscene, >>> even if it does work!) >>> >>> this isn't the right list for discussing it, but if you're interested >>> in doing BioD, with minimal craftiness you can build yourself a processor >>> for just a coupla' hunnert bucks. >>> (you'll need a source for the oil stock and a way to haul it, which has >>> its own legal challenges. you'll need a source for the Methanol and a way to >>> store it and deal with its fumes, a way to dispose of the Glycerin, an >>> understanding of the Tax implications, *and* have the place for the >>> processor!) >>> >>> >>> cheers! >>> e >>> >>> >>> andrew strasfogel wrote: >>> >>>> Ernie, you really know how to deflate a baloon. >>>> Thanks for your insights, though. I feel nearly $3k richer. ;) >>>> I >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, ernest breakfield < >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> first, it's a processor, not a "generator" as you had it titled,... >>>> >>>> either way, that's nutsy pricing,... i'll sell you an Appleseed >>>> processor for 10% of what they're getting for that, and i'd still >>>> be making a profit. for the sake of this discussion, let's ignore >>>> my skepticism that they can actually react and adequately wash the >>>> volume of fuel they advertise in the time they advertise and >>>> produce quality fuel. i'm not saying it's impossible, but since >>>> we're still on the frontier with BioD i'd want to see it to >>>> believe it before i'd be putting it in any car i valued. >>>> >>>> byproducts; probably glycerin in a ratio of ~1 part for every 3 >>>> parts of BioDiesel produced. toxicity is low, though disposal is >>>> an Achilles heel of BioD manufacture. >>>> one issue they downplay is dealing with the Methanol necessary >>>> for transesterification; where to get it, store it, and how much >>>> is released into the air during processing. >>>> >>>> big issue for many folks is where to put the dang processor; you >>>> want to put it somewhere it's easy to get oil,water and methanol >>>> to, and fuel and glycerin from, and this needs to be somewhere >>>> with electricity. it needs to be somewhere where any (and all) of >>>> those things can be spilled and cleaned up without concern, and it >>>> needs to be somewhere well ventilated so you're not dealing with >>>> the fumes. this makes it No-Starter for many folks, as they just >>>> don't have an adequate location to deal with all those >>>> considerations. >>>> >>>> >>>> cheers! >>>> e >>>> >>>> >>>> andrew strasfogel wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200354269_200354269 >>>> >>>> This is so very tempting. I wonder whether it works in the >>>> cold or if you >>>> need to coddle it in a heated space. I also wonder what the >>>> yield is of >>>> BioD per 10 gallons of used cooking fryer oil. >>>> >>>> Oh yes, what sort of byproduct, how toxic, and how much? >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
