On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste stream (veggie only) into compost. I am VERY open to suggestions..,,
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM, ernest breakfield < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi Mike! > > i think we were talking about BioDiesel here (note the subject line) not > WVO, which is a very different thing with many different considerations. > (not the least of which is the increasing incidence of persecution of those > using WVO as a non-approved and untaxed fuel on public highways). > > not surprisingly, here in Berkeley, there have been many people who have > tried a wide variety of single-tank and dual-tank WVO/SVO conversion kits; > Frybird has been one of the least popular even ignoring the amount of time > it takes to reap any return on the significant investment. > the result has been such a glut of destroyed MBZs that some local > junkyards won't pay for them or even accept them anymore unless you pay to > have them dropped off at their front door. > > there's a whole 'nother world of considerations, issues and unknowns > associated with SVO/WVO use; probably not appropriate for this forum, and > certainly not for this thread. > > good luck! > > > cheers! > e > > > > Michael E. Esh wrote: > >> I am currently collecting waste vegetable oil from local restaurants to >> use >> in my 1984 300D. I purchased and installed a kit from Frybrid.com >> I have been doing this for about two years and have had no adverse effects >> on engine performance. The key is to make sure engine is at operating >> temperature and oil is at least 160 degrees before switching from diesel. >> This typically takes 3 to 7 miles depending on the outside temp. the >> switchover is done automatically with Frybrid system. Before shutting down >> you must switch back to diesel. This takes about 10 seconds and an alarm >> sound if you shut down without switching. >> I have $3000.00 invested in the entire project which includes the >> filtration >> system. >> >> Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ernest breakfield >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:24 PM >> To: andrew strasfogel >> Cc: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Biodiesel *processor* for under $3K from Northern >> Tool >> >> >> hi Andrew! >> >> don't know much about any companies hauling away restaurants used >> oil (technically, it's not "grease" being used) and making BioD from >> it... though i know there's been a flap about some municipalities (San >> Francisco, for example) commandeering waste oil from restaurants on the >> premise of keeping it out of the sewer system and then using it for fuel. >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> >> >> andrew strasfogel wrote: >> >> >>> Ernest, >>> >>> As an original member of the "formerly known as Andy" club, I should >>> have known better than to Ernie-fy you. >>> >>> So are their reputable companies in the big cities operating under >>> industrial economies of scale who are hauling away restaurants' fryer >>> grease and turning it into bio diesel? >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, ernest breakfield >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >>> >>> hi Rich! >>> >>> yes but not really, no, and kinda',... ;-) >>> >>> you *could* make soap from it, but nobody would want to use it >>> for anything other than maybe cleaning their tools! leftover >>> Methanol and other impurities from the oil wind up in the >>> Glycerin, and it's not something you'd want on your skin. >>> Glycerin used for Soap is of Food Grade; the byproduct of BioD >>> production isn't anywhere near that clean. >>> someone somewhere might have a use for it, but the byproduct of >>> homebrew BioD is not what most people would have in mind when they >>> think of the term "usable byproduct". >>> >>> you can find some of the best evolving info from real-time >>> Biodiesel'ers on the BurnVeggies list or the Infopop forum. (the >>> Journey to Forever Site is obviously biased, and while there is >>> some good info there there's so much mis-information mixed in with >>> it the site is somewhat controversial.) >>> >>> >>> cheers! >>> e >>> >>> >>> >>> Rich Thomas wrote: >>> >>> Can you make soap from the glycerin? It's pretty clean, >>> right? I thought I read that somewhere that it is a usable >>> by-product. >>> >>> --R >>> >>> ernest breakfield wrote: >>> >>> hi Andrew, >>> >>> (it's Ernest, actually; not Ernie.) >>> >>> i don't want to deflate anyone's balloon WRT Biofuels; >>> i'm a big proponent of responsible Biofuels, and have been >>> using B100 in our '85 300D for several years/50K+ miles >>> already. >>> i just don't want to see anyone get sucked into thinking >>> it's easy without knowing what all needs to be considered. >>> i think that knowing what those considerations are before >>> moving forward makes it that much more likely that people >>> willing to make the effort will succeed. >>> >>> moreover, i hate seeing people get suckered in by the >>> unscrupulous that are are trying to take advantage of >>> others by preying on a desire to do the Right Thing. (the >>> amount of money HF is asking for that thing is obscene, >>> even if it does work!) >>> >>> this isn't the right list for discussing it, but if >>> you're interested in doing BioD, with minimal craftiness >>> you can build yourself a processor for just a coupla' >>> hunnert bucks. >>> (you'll need a source for the oil stock and a way to >>> haul it, which has its own legal challenges. you'll need a >>> source for the Methanol and a way to store it and deal >>> with its fumes, a way to dispose of the Glycerin, an >>> understanding of the Tax implications, *and* have the >>> place for the processor!) >>> >>> >>> cheers! >>> e >>> >>> >>> andrew strasfogel wrote: >>> >>> Ernie, you really know how to deflate a baloon. >>> Thanks for your insights, though. I feel nearly $3k >>> richer. ;) >>> I >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, ernest breakfield >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote: >>> >>> first, it's a processor, not a "generator" as you >>> had it titled,... >>> >>> either way, that's nutsy pricing,... i'll sell >>> you an Appleseed >>> processor for 10% of what they're getting for that, >>> and i'd still >>> be making a profit. for the sake of this >>> discussion, let's ignore >>> my skepticism that they can actually react and >>> adequately wash the >>> volume of fuel they advertise in the time they >>> advertise and >>> produce quality fuel. i'm not saying it's >>> impossible, but since >>> we're still on the frontier with BioD i'd want to >>> see it to >>> believe it before i'd be putting it in any car i >>> valued. >>> >>> byproducts; probably glycerin in a ratio of ~1 >>> part for every 3 >>> parts of BioDiesel produced. toxicity is low, >>> though disposal is >>> an Achilles heel of BioD manufacture. >>> one issue they downplay is dealing with the >>> Methanol necessary >>> for transesterification; where to get it, store it, >>> and how much >>> is released into the air during processing. >>> >>> big issue for many folks is where to put the dang >>> processor; you >>> want to put it somewhere it's easy to get oil,water >>> and methanol >>> to, and fuel and glycerin from, and this needs to >>> be somewhere >>> with electricity. it needs to be somewhere where >>> any (and all) of >>> those things can be spilled and cleaned up without >>> concern, and it >>> needs to be somewhere well ventilated so you're not >>> dealing with >>> the fumes. this makes it No-Starter for many >>> folks, as they just >>> don't have an adequate location to deal with all >>> those considerations. >>> >>> >>> cheers! >>> e >>> >>> >>> andrew strasfogel wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200354269 >> _200354269 >> >> >>> This is so very tempting. I wonder whether it >>> works in the >>> cold or if you >>> need to coddle it in a heated space. I also >>> wonder what the >>> yield is of >>> BioD per 10 gallons of used cooking fryer oil. >>> >>> Oh yes, what sort of byproduct, how toxic, and >>> how much? >>> _______________________________________ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com <http://www.okiebenz.com/> >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: >>> http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com <http://www.okiebenz.com/> >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: >>> http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com <http://www.okiebenz.com/> >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
