the big money shakedowns only came later. this list is the direct successor to the diesel list which would not have been born, nor any of hte other mbz.org lists, unless marshall signed on.
alex's list would have just been tiny tiny and probably would have just gone away. for 20 points, what was the name of the guy in NC with the W114 who had a web page about it? i rack my nutrasweet addled brain, but find no answer On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Loren Faeth <lfa...@leadingchange.com>wrote: > Dickarde definitely was running the veterans list before the "Diesel" list > was started. Hursty, you have given me the timeline I was missing or unsure > about. > > So Hursty, I propose changing your statement a little. This list would not > have existed without Alex Gabbard, and Herr Doktor and the Diesel list would > not have started without Dr. Booth. > > You might want to add: You would have been money ahead without meeting > dickarde. > > Most of the charter members of the Okiebenz list were members of the Diesel > list. After dickarde was successful in starting the Diesel list, it > siphoned off members like me and OK Don, who was then known by his real > name, from the veterans list. THe 108 list siphoned off more members of the > veterans list. each subsequent list siphoned off members from the veterans > list. > > After dickarde smoked a few too many and melted down, Kaleb picked up the > pieces he found, and put together one list, much like the original veterans > list, but without most of the international members. (Yes, we have Bennell, > whom I appreciate even if he is a lawyer and one errant lost Aussie, but the > Veterans had a whole raft of Aussies, including Greene, who was no slouch on > technical stuff, and Frada, who was a hoot) Then there were Gabbard and > others from Europe, an occasional Indonesian and a few South Africans, so it > gave us a perspective of "Air, Land and Sea, the world around" > > I still miss the veterans list, but I consider the character of this list > to be essentially the same as the original Mascedes-veterans list. > > Thanks Kaleb, for running a fun list! > > > At 03:20 PM 8/13/2009, you wrote: > >> i'd guess 98 or 99, but someone like little tommy would remember such a >> thing. >> >> to sum it up briefly as i understand it: in the beginning, there was dave >> realtime and esa ahola. figure about 95ish. a dominant figure on the >> list >> was cookies and he really pissed off a ton of people everyday. ritter and >> easley then started their own list to be "kinder and gentler" and cookies >> free, maybe about 96 or 97. one stuart steele was doing the "listmom" >> thing >> for ritter/easley and he and ritter undertook basically what amounted to >> purges of all dissidents. the mbz.org lists began as a reaction to those >> purges, beginning with "banned" as a safe haven for mercedesphiles who had >> been purged from ritter/easley. as ritter/easley purported to be kinder >> and >> gentler, banned went out of its way to be exactly the opposite so while it >> did contain tech information, it was not a fit forum for many who wished >> to >> participate in an alternative tech list. so richard sexton and i decided >> that if dr booth as willing to participate in the proposed diesel list, >> we'd >> run out a bunch of more democratic and open lists via mbz.org >> >> then richard and mbz.org had one final nuclear meltdown and lists >> disappeared, but kaleb took the initiative and stepped up to keep them >> alive >> (originally while richard brought the lists back up, but now permanently) >> and that is where we are today. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Peter Merle <merle.pe...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > When did the list actually start? I have been on /off over many years . >> > Marshall always helped out and made sense of many things than perflexed >> one >> > Peter >> > >> > 2009/8/13 Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> >> > >> > > But we have you now. >> > > >> > > --R >> > > >> > > Gary Hurst wrote: >> > > >> > >> marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole >> > >> mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon >> marshall's >> > >> agreed participation. had marhall said "no", the plan was to never >> > start >> > >> the diesel list. >> > >> >> > >> just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care >> > >> >> > >> = >> > >> >> > > >> > > _______________________________________ >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> > >> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090813/c1fcdb2a/attachment.html >> > > >> > _______________________________________ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090813/db48a92c/attachment.html >> > >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > Loren Faeth > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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