bozz says no linkage between vets and the rest of the mbz.org lists. you have said nothing to change his mind about that
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Loren Faeth <lfa...@leadingchange.com>wrote: > Whatever you say bozz, > > But the Diesel list would never have existed with out the veterans list. > Before you rejects form the RE list came to Mbz.org., and actually when > Alex was running the veterans list, before dickarde started to screw it up, > it was a large and active list, but you would never know that because you > were too busy trying to irritate R/E. > > The veterans list was probably 80% of the average number of posts on this > list, but it had more technical content. > > > At 10:27 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: > >> the big money shakedowns only came later. this list is the direct >> successor >> to the diesel list which would not have been born, nor any of hte other >> mbz.org lists, unless marshall signed on. >> >> alex's list would have just been tiny tiny and probably would have just >> gone >> away. >> >> for 20 points, what was the name of the guy in NC with the W114 who had a >> web page about it? i rack my nutrasweet addled brain, but find no answer >> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Loren Faeth <lfa...@leadingchange.com >> >wrote: >> >> > Dickarde definitely was running the veterans list before the "Diesel" >> list >> > was started. Hursty, you have given me the timeline I was missing or >> unsure >> > about. >> > >> > So Hursty, I propose changing your statement a little. This list would >> not >> > have existed without Alex Gabbard, and Herr Doktor and the Diesel list >> would >> > not have started without Dr. Booth. >> > >> > You might want to add: You would have been money ahead without meeting >> > dickarde. >> > >> > Most of the charter members of the Okiebenz list were members of the >> Diesel >> > list. After dickarde was successful in starting the Diesel list, it >> > siphoned off members like me and OK Don, who was then known by his real >> > name, from the veterans list. THe 108 list siphoned off more members of >> the >> > veterans list. each subsequent list siphoned off members from the >> veterans >> > list. >> > >> > After dickarde smoked a few too many and melted down, Kaleb picked up >> the >> > pieces he found, and put together one list, much like the original >> veterans >> > list, but without most of the international members. (Yes, we have >> Bennell, >> > whom I appreciate even if he is a lawyer and one errant lost Aussie, but >> the >> > Veterans had a whole raft of Aussies, including Greene, who was no >> slouch on >> > technical stuff, and Frada, who was a hoot) Then there were Gabbard and >> > others from Europe, an occasional Indonesian and a few South Africans, >> so it >> > gave us a perspective of "Air, Land and Sea, the world around" >> > >> > I still miss the veterans list, but I consider the character of this >> list >> > to be essentially the same as the original Mascedes-veterans list. >> > >> > Thanks Kaleb, for running a fun list! >> > >> > >> > At 03:20 PM 8/13/2009, you wrote: >> > >> >> i'd guess 98 or 99, but someone like little tommy would remember such a >> >> thing. >> >> >> >> to sum it up briefly as i understand it: in the beginning, there was >> dave >> >> realtime and esa ahola. figure about 95ish. a dominant figure on the >> >> list >> >> was cookies and he really pissed off a ton of people everyday. ritter >> and >> >> easley then started their own list to be "kinder and gentler" and >> cookies >> >> free, maybe about 96 or 97. one stuart steele was doing the "listmom" >> >> thing >> >> for ritter/easley and he and ritter undertook basically what amounted >> to >> >> purges of all dissidents. the mbz.org lists began as a reaction to >> those >> >> purges, beginning with "banned" as a safe haven for mercedesphiles who >> had >> >> been purged from ritter/easley. as ritter/easley purported to be >> kinder >> >> and >> >> gentler, banned went out of its way to be exactly the opposite so while >> it >> >> did contain tech information, it was not a fit forum for many who >> wished >> >> to >> >> participate in an alternative tech list. so richard sexton and i >> decided >> >> that if dr booth as willing to participate in the proposed diesel list, >> >> we'd >> >> run out a bunch of more democratic and open lists via mbz.org >> >> >> >> then richard and mbz.org had one final nuclear meltdown and lists >> >> disappeared, but kaleb took the initiative and stepped up to keep them >> >> alive >> >> (originally while richard brought the lists back up, but now >> permanently) >> >> and that is where we are today. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Peter Merle <merle.pe...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > When did the list actually start? I have been on /off over many years >> . >> >> > Marshall always helped out and made sense of many things than >> perflexed >> >> one >> >> > Peter >> >> > >> >> > 2009/8/13 Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> >> >> > >> >> > > But we have you now. >> >> > > >> >> > > --R >> >> > > >> >> > > Gary Hurst wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > >> marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the >> whole >> >> > >> mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon >> >> marshall's >> >> > >> agreed participation. had marhall said "no", the plan was to >> never >> >> > start >> >> > >> the diesel list. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still >> care >> >> > >> >> >> > >> = >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > _______________________________________ >> >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> > > >> >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> > URL: < >> >> > >> >> >> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090813/c1fcdb2a/attachment.html >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________ >> >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> > >> >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: < >> >> >> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090813/db48a92c/attachment.html >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > >> > Loren Faeth >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/01b7d54c/attachment.html >> > >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > Loren Faeth > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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