Points well made. The housing industry which built city overcowding into our ecology certainly cut down the forests. And what's a few million pages of IRS and EPA regulations compared to that?
Mines only pollute under EPA jurisdiction... those in Mexico and China don't pollute apparently cause THEY have no EPA.... thus those electric car components "Made in China" are "clean energy"... Grant... On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Lee <einer...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm pretty sure that the printing of government regulations is not the > primary cause of global deforestation. Last time I checked, the timber, > ranching and agricultural sectors had something to do with it. > > And you forgot about the hybrid and electric-car induced global > rare-earth shortage that is causing dirty, polluting mines to reopen. > > Lee > > G Mann wrote: > > I object, the whole idea that "electric vehicles are clean" is a > > manufactured lie. > > > > First, the entire electronics industry uses and makes some of the > nastiest > > chemicals in history, which stay in the environment for lifetimes, not > > days. No natural thing eats them or breaks them down. > > Second, batteries, which are the heart and soul of electric cars, are a > > disposal problem by themselves, and getting more so as the switch to > lythium > > and other exotics is made. > > Third, the lie that burning coal, or nuke plants in a remote location > > producing electricity to charge these electric cars is "somehow clean" > cause > > it doesn't happen in "my back yard" is more BS. Pollution is pollution, > > nothing is "free". > > Fourth, The whole idea that government and only government will make > choices > > for us counters the whole "land of the free, home of the brave" idea of > > America. > > > > The real world numbers don't add up, unless you use Al Bore math, for the > > whole electric car / save the earth thing. CO2 comes out of combustion,, > > plants breathe CO2.... plant more, instead of chopping down trees to make > > paper to print more government regulations... save the world from > ignorant > > decisions and "global warming" will solve it's self in the next natural > > cycle ice age. > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Lee <einer...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Electric vehicles have a problem - grid-based electricity in the US is > >> dirtier than just running an economical gas-burner. > >> > >> Wind power has a problem - wind being an intermittent source of energy, > >> it only makes sense when coupled with a storage device, but the grid has > >> zero storage capacity. > >> > >> But electric vehicles are a place to store energy. Maybe wind farms near > >> municipalities should include wired parking lots for lots of electric > >> vehicles. That would to some degree address both problems, the cars > >> would charge from a clean energy source and the wind farms would be > >> connected to batteries. > >> > >> Lee > >> > >> LWB250 wrote: > >> > >>> Points well taken, Tim. > >>> > >>> The one thing that nags at me regarding the electric vehicles is how > much > >>> > >> gas/coal/oil has to be burned to produce the electricity to charge or > run > >> them? > >> > >>> I never see this in the information, and I think it's a very relevant > >>> > >> aspect of the whole electric vehicle thing. > >> > >>> Dan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Tim C <bb...@crone.us> > >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:34 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The "Dirty Little Secret Behind the Chevy VOLT".... > >>> > >>> More than that, the "anemic" sales of the Volt are clearly due to > supply > >>> issues, since dealers don't have them in stock and can't get them. The > >>> > >> Leaf > >> > >>> is having similar issues. I suspect part of it, like was done with the > >>> early hybrids, is limiting supply so as to work bugs out with committed > >>> early adopters. > >>> > >>> For what it's worth I have trouble seeing the Volt called an electric > >>> vehicle; it is a hybrid just like my Escape, except it has a night plug > >>> > >> for > >> > >>> precharging the battery, and is built to Chevrolet (versus FORD :) > >>> standards. > >>> > >>> I am not a fan of the idea that all cars should have the same > propulsion > >>> system. Some are better suited to certain things, for example I don't > >>> > >> think > >> > >>> many in this forum will argue that diesels are the best choice for > short > >>> trips around town, or drag racing, but I am pretty sure many of us > agree > >>> that diesels are the best for distance and highway travel. Electric > >>> vehicles have been in use for more than a century, and among other > things > >>> make good delivery vehicles, and are common for low-speed or > >>> > >> fixed-location > >> > >>> applications already. I don't get why the same folks who curse > >>> > >> California > >> > >>> for banning diesels get upset that battery cars are going into > >>> > >> production. > >> > >>> I am not arguing that the government -should- be subsidizing the cost > of > >>> > >> the > >> > >>> cars, but I can see the argument that it is only making up for the > >>> > >> support > >> > >>> for oil, ethanol, and to a lesser degree biodiesel production. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Tim > >>> who killed the electric car (purchase because it is too expensive, for > >>> > >> now) > >> > >>> On Jun 18, 2011 9:46 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski" <jaime...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
