Loren Faeth wrote:
> Kaleb,
>
> A. We were talking about cars, not trucks.
> Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory!
Of course there were no diesel V-8 cars from the factory. You said GM,
assuming you were referring to all GM cars. That is what my comment was
based on.
>
> B. The filter was on the back of the intake, and was plumbed
> backwards. It DID cause nozzle failures. It did often plug. It was NOT
> easy to change.
True. The later 6.5's are also on the back of the intake but not really
hard to change and not plumbed backwards that I can tell. Probably a
different filter setup Im sure.
>
> C. I did say the engine was reasonably reliable if you put a decent fuel
> filter/separator on it.
yes, you did.
>
> D. I did not create the reputation of GM diesel cars. GM did that all by
> itself. I merely observed it.
Yes, GM had quite a reputation. Had a couple of different family
members with those, one with a pontiac boneville, one with a pontiac
station wagon. But as we discussed the biggest problem with the whole
deal was lack of dealer training and support.
>
>
>
>
> At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not
>>producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was
>>owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used
>>all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had
>>problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO.
>>
>>Loren Faeth wrote:
>>
>>
>>>WHY GM?
>>>
>>>In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second
>>>"gas shortage" (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was
>>>available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an
>>>itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold,
>>>and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would
>>>collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them,
>>>costing big bucks.
>>>
>>>The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service
>>>diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel
>>
>>filters,
>>
>>>or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor
>>>or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the
>>>water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.)
>>>
>>>If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out.
>>>
>>>then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the
>>>diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of
>>>diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally
>>
>>saying
>>
>>>that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not
>>>content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen
>>>the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning
>>>could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting
>>>the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs.
>>>
>>>GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel
>>>for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized
>>>that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those
>>>committed, like MB and VW.
>>>
>>>Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and
>>>could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a
>>
>>reason
>>
>>>why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of
>>>course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM
>>>proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a
>>>handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance
>>>vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to
>>>fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell
>>>enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years.
>>>
>>>THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at
>>>about 20% from 1985 until now.
>>>
>>>In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section
>>>events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one
>>>meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a
>>>diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new
>>>Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the
>>>spring of 82.
>>>
>>>Loren
>>>
>>>At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why GM?
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
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